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Troyisabeast_43
09-15-2008, 03:12 PM
I know it's way too early to look ahead but what the hell Im gonna do it anyway and pretty much say it is over with that win last night in Cleveland unless the Steelers completely fall apart. The Steelers are now 3 games virtually ahead of the Browns with the tiebraker in hand, and are also two games ahead of the Bengals already who look like they might not even win 2 games this year and have to go to New York and Dallas 2 out of the next 3 weeks in games which they have no chance of winning period.

The Ravens at this point at 1-0 look like the biggest threat since we still dont know much about them and their defense is still pretty solid and the Steelers will play them here at Heinz Field on Monday night in 2 weeks. However, the reason I say this division race is for all practical purposes over is because if you look at the schedule the next 2 weeks the Browns,Ravens,and Bengals all play each other and are all going to beat each other up and build up the losses for each of them. The Browns play at Baltimore and at Cincy the next 2 weeks in games they absolutely MUST win. The Ravens play the Browns and of course the Steelers the next 2 weeks, and the Bengals play at the Giants this week in a game that they have absolutely no chance to win, then host the Browns, then have a game at Dallas which they once again have no shot of winning. The bottom line is with the Bengals they are staring hard at 0-5 with that upcoming schedule and are pretty much a non-factor in this division race period. So while I dont want to say this division race is officially over but Ill say this much if the Steelers win the next 2 games and get to 4-0 and already own tiebrakers over the Browns and Ravens head to head then you can pretty much forget about it. In fact, I will go one step further and say that if the Steelers beat the Eagles this week this division race is over because there is no way that the Ravens with a rookie head coach and a rookie QB in Joe Flacco are coming into Heinz Field on Monday night football where the Steelers havent lost in 17 years since 1991 and winning.

All of a sudden now the schedule in October with games at the Jags and at the Bengals after the bye week doesnt look very hard at all. The Jags are at 0-2 and have a ton of injury problems and are staring hard at 0-3 this week having to go to Indianapolis and try to get a win. So while the Jags do always beat the Steelers and it wont be an easy game it's looking more and more like the Steelers can and should win that game in Jacksonville in 3 weeks on Sunday night.

The bottom line is I think the key game is this Sunday in Philadelphia if the Steelers find a way to go in there and win then looking at the next 3 games after that with the Ravens,Jags,and Cincy I dont want to start talking too crazy but this Steelers team has a very very legit shot to start out at 6-0. As I mentioned before though the win in Cleveland was huge last night and it pretty much will allow the Steelers barring a major collapse it will allow the Steelers to control the AFC North for the remainder of the season and pretty much have it wrapped up should the Steelers win the next 2 weeks against Philadelphia and Baltimore and start 4-0. There is just no way that the Ravens,Bengals,and Browns will be able to catch the Steelers if they are 4-0 when the Steelers will already have tiebrakers in hand on the Browns and Ravens and the Bengals the other team probably wont even have a win yet and be 0-4. So after reading all of that is it so nuts for me to declare this division race over and as a fan start looking ahead down the road to possible bye weeks and homefield advantage possiblities already?? Thoughts guys please???

BlacknGold Bleeder
09-15-2008, 03:15 PM
Way to early to be getting into all this. I love our start but we still got 14 games to play , let's just take them one at a time !!

Troyisabeast_43
09-15-2008, 03:19 PM
Way to early to be getting into all this. I love our start but we still got 14 games to play , let's just take them one at a time !!

Why is it too early every single point I make on my post and I know it's very long are legit reasons to why this division race is pretty much over unless the Steelers happen to lose Ben Roethlisberger for an extended period of time. As long as he plays the Steelers are going to win more games then they lose and the Browns,Ravens,and Bengals have absolutely no chance to catch the Steelers period. It's not too early at all in my opinion to break down the next few weeks of the schedule for the Browns,Ravens,and Bengals because they all play each other and play the Steelers.

BlitzburghRockCity
09-15-2008, 03:26 PM
A lot can change in 6 weeks with teams. Good ones can fade out and hit with a rash of injuries and bad teams that are banged up can get healthy and make a run. As far as the division goes though we all know that the Ravens won't be a factor in the playoffs. The inexperience of Flacco and the injuries on that team will prove too much to overcome. The Bengals are a trainwreck, Palmer is suddenly not superman anymore, the defense still stinks, and they can't pull it all together. They'll win some games and maybe even help us out depending on who they can put down but as far as then making a major push for the post season it would take a miracle and they just don't have the horses on defense to keep up with people. Cleveland will win some games but right now they are off to a bad start and in a hole. They'll be licking their wounds for awhile and time will tell how they react. I don't think we'll run away with the division yet though, they'll keep it close enough that it will take until atleast December before things get irnoned out. We are bound to have a let down sooner or later and they'll win a few games here and there. What I don't want is to see us in a dog fight for the division heading into week 16, I'd like to have it sewn up by then but we'll see. Staring out 6-0 is a definitely possibility, we have the talent to it I have no doubt of that, but I want to see is how we play against tougher opponents to get a real feel for how this team is going to be this year. Until then it's too early.

these teams that are stinking now like the Jags, Colts, Chargers, etc. could very well begin to get healthy and on track by midway point of the season when we hit the tough part of the schedule. Right now looking at most of the teams in that stretch, no it doesn't look near as daunting as it did in August, however I'm reserving any type of judgment good or bad till we see how we are doing in October & November and how they are playing too. If we hit a rough spot for a couple weeks and the Browns get hot it'll be a close race.

TEEMONT
09-15-2008, 03:38 PM
It's no where near over yet, we still have a very tough schedule ahead of us, and we all know the bungles, birds, and stains are going to be saving their best football the Steelers. Lets worry abotu next week, and out guys beating the iggles, instead of proclaiming ourselves AFC North champs already.

Besides, I only care about being one kind of champ.

Troyisabeast_43
09-15-2008, 03:53 PM
A lot can change in 6 weeks with teams. Good ones can fade out and hit with a rash of injuries and bad teams that are banged up can get healthy and make a run. As far as the division goes though we all know that the Ravens won't be a factor in the playoffs. The inexperience of Flacco and the injuries on that team will prove too much to overcome. The Bengals are a trainwreck, Palmer is suddenly not superman anymore, the defense still stinks, and they can't pull it all together. They'll win some games and maybe even help us out depending on who they can put down but as far as then making a major push for the post season it would take a miracle and they just don't have the horses on defense to keep up with people. Cleveland will win some games but right now they are off to a bad start and in a hole. They'll be licking their wounds for awhile and time will tell how they react. I don't think we'll run away with the division yet though, they'll keep it close enough that it will take until atleast December before things get irnoned out. We are bound to have a let down sooner or later and they'll win a few games here and there. What I don't want is to see us in a dog fight for the division heading into week 16, I'd like to have it sewn up by then but we'll see. Staring out 6-0 is a definitely possibility, we have the talent to it I have no doubt of that, but I want to see is how we play against tougher opponents to get a real feel for how this team is going to be this year. Until then it's too early.

these teams that are stinking now like the Jags, Colts, Chargers, etc. could very well begin to get healthy and on track by midway point of the season when we hit the tough part of the schedule. Right now looking at most of the teams in that stretch, no it doesn't look near as daunting as it did in August, however I'm reserving any type of judgment good or bad till we see how we are doing in October & November and how they are playing too. If we hit a rough spot for a couple weeks and the Browns get hot it'll be a close race.
Ok let's just say we lose to either Philadelphia or the Jags which by the way I think we will lose probably one of those even though I hope we dont. But let's say we do even then the Steelers are not going to start out no worse then 5-1. Do you honestly think TG that the Ravens are going to beat the Steelers at home on a Monday night with Joe Flacco and Harbaugh as the rookie coach, and that the Bengals as horrific as they look have any chance to beat the Steelers in Cincy where the Steelers have owned them?? Even if the Browns do get a few wins here the next couple weeks it's still not going have me worried about them because the Steelers much like last year own the tiebraker over them for the rest of the season which is virtually a 3 game lead. Plus, the Browns have 4 out of their next 5 games on the road and all of those 5 games are tough and no gimmies. The next 5 games for the Browns include at Baltimore and at Cincy which are both division games on the road and never easy to win especially for a team like the Browns. Hell the Browns lost in Cincy last year and needed a miracle FG by Dawson at the buzzer last year to get a win in Baltimore. After those 2 games the Browns have a game in Cleveland on a Monday night against the Giants who play great on the road and look very strong so far through 2 games, Then, after that they have games back to back weeks at Washington and at Jacksonville in which case both of those teams by then seeing that it will be mid-October will be in MUST win situations playing at home and are going to need those games just as badly if not more then the Browns will. So the Browns might indeed win a few games the next couple weeks and right the ship but they wont win them all which they basically are going to have to do after they lost to the Steelers last night. So when you break it all down I see the Steelers going 3-1 at the very worst the next 4 games which will put them at 5-1 after the Bengals game in mid-October.

Do you really see the Browns winning these next 5 games at Baltimore,at Cincy,Giants,at Wash and at the Jags?? I sure dont. At best they will go 3-2 I think in those 5 games and even that is a stretch at this point. If they do go 3-2 though it would still only put them at 3-4 and still 2 1/2 games behind the Steelers at 5-1 who would have the tiebraker in hand. The Browns to have any shot to win this division need to knock off about 4 or 5 wins in a row and need the Steelers to slip up and lose 2 or 3 in a row and that is just not going to happen. All you have to do is look at the Browns players after that loss to the Steelers last night and it showed how dejected they already are and that they dont have the kind a character a team needs to rip off 4 or 5 wins in a row. This Steelers team is a lot better this year from what I can see already and a lot more focused to let that happen.

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It's no where near over yet, we still have a very tough schedule ahead of us, and we all know the bungles, birds, and stains are going to be saving their best football the Steelers. Lets worry abotu next week, and out guys beating the iggles, instead of proclaiming ourselves AFC North champs already.

Besides, I only care about being one kind of champ.

The Ravens and Bengals arent beating the Steelers this year period whether they play their best football or not. I know the Ravens always beat the Steelers in Baltimore but that game isnt until December. The game with the Ravens in 2 weeks is here on Monday night and the Ravens arent going come in here with a rookie QB and win it wont happen. The Bengals look horrific and by the time they play the Steelers in mid-October they will be in complete shambles and just have no chance with their pathetic defense to slow the Steelers down. If the Bengals couldnt even beat Joe Flacco and Kerry Collins with their defense how in the hell do you expect them to beat Ben Roethlisberger and Willie Parker and the Steelers defense as good as they are.

Dean Denton
09-15-2008, 04:49 PM
Ravens will give us fits because they have a good DEF. It all comes down to who stays healthy. Same as it does every year. However, this year as many years in the past we are the best team in our division, and should win it.
Also I think the Jags healthy or not will lose to us because we are the better team. If we play that way, we win. Lets just hope we still have Parker. Thats the only reason they beat us the 2nd time. If the season continues to play out this way it will be the Steelers VS Broncos in the AFC championship. I just hope this time we play them here. But a lot can happen in 14 weeks.

Stlrs4Life
09-15-2008, 05:06 PM
Way to early to be getting into all this. I love our start but we still got 14 games to play , let's just take them one at a time !!



Agree, and there is no such thing as a sure win in the NFL.

BlitzburghRockCity
09-15-2008, 05:16 PM
Nah I don't see the Ratbirds beating us, I think our defense will drive Flacco nuts and we'll be able to confuse him early and often which will eventually allow the pressure to start being an even bigger factor. Im not so much concerned about them although with the Ratbirds it's always a physical, ugly game no matter if it's a blow out or not. I never look past them because this rivalry is always rough and records go out the window. If we get up early on them by a couple TD's it'll be over.

On paper yes we should be 5-1 or 6-0, but we all know tons of things can happen. IF we take care of business things could very well fall into place for us. Your breakdowns are usually very logical and baring the unforseen it's a very doable scenario. The AFCN is not a great division this year so it's ours for the taking. Having said that this team has found a way over the years to let golden opportunities slip through their fingers time and time again even as recent as last year so we need prove we can handle adversity and play our best football against the best teams. IF and I say IF we can do that then I definitely like our chances.

SteelfordWexler
09-15-2008, 05:18 PM
I'm never going to complain about winning, but the two teams we beat didn't show up. Who knows what the Texans have - but in wk 1 - they looked like they weren't ready. The Browns played ok defensively - but their playmakers dropped a bunch of passes and I think the weather effected them more than us.

No excuses - we won. But don't start ordering your tickets to the SB yet. We haven't exactly played great either. I think our oline is getting too much love - particularly for pass pro. Ben doesn't drop back much - rarely holds the ball for more than a second and is sacked/ knocked down way too often. We are getting better push in the running game but - if we don't protect #7 - we don't compete for a championship. Ask Tom Brady.

The defense is the same as it always is - great against the run and hold your breath on third down. The pass rush has some potential, but it hasn't exactly been intimidating so far this year.

Im not a hater - I think this team is going to be great, but we are a work in progress. Early in the season a lot of good teams struggle. Cowers teams did. We drew a great couple of games to start the season. If we look strong against the Eagles (who have it together early) I think that will tell us a lot more about who we are than the first two games.

Black@Gold Forever32
09-15-2008, 05:20 PM
I'm never going to complain about winning, but the two teams we beat didn't show up. Who knows what the Texans have - but in wk 1 - they looked like they weren't ready. The Browns played ok defensively - but their playmakers dropped a bunch of passes and I think the weather effected them more than us.

No excuses - we won. But don't start ordering your tickets to the SB yet. We haven't exactly played great either. I think our oline is getting too much love - particularly for pass pro. Ben doesn't drop back much - rarely holds the ball for more than a second and is sacked/ knocked down way too often. We are getting better push in the running game but - if we don't protect #7 - we don't compete for a championship. Ask Tom Brady.

The defense is the same as it always is - great against the run and hold your breath on third down. The pass rush has some potential, but it hasn't exactly been intimidating so far this year.

Im not a hater - I think this team is going to be great, but we are a work in progress. Early in the season a lot of good teams struggle. Cowers teams did. We drew a great couple of games to start the season. If we look strong against the Eagles (who have it together early) I think that will tell us a lot more about who we are than the first two games.

Great post.........................:tt02: We need more of these type of posts around here....I agree 100 percent.....

BlitzburghRockCity
09-15-2008, 05:27 PM
There is no excuses in the NFL, if you can't overcome adversity in the NFL be it the weather, injuries, poor officiating, or anything else than you don't deserve to win. The Browns showed up alright,the same as they always do. Nothing they did last night was anything different than what they've been doing for years.

thier clock management stinks

winslow is a cry baby

Braylon Edwards is decent but does drop some balls

front 7 is good but not great

secondary stinks

DA makes bad decisions at crucial points in the game.

It is what it is, the Browns are not the worst team in the league but it's not like they are the best either. I don't care, a win is a win is a win.

the Texans are the same way. Young QB trying to find his way and lead a young group with an average offensive line. Defensive front 7 is good, secondary is just ok. Again though we forced them into mistakes and turnovers, and did what we are supposed to do. The texans weren't quite ready for this game and we showed our supperiority plain and simple.

I like our chances against anyone but Im waiting to see how we do against some more quality opponents as well. And let's not start proclaiming the eagles as anything spectacular either, I mean they beat up on the Rams for pete sake, a total disaster of a team. We'll learn more tonight about the Eagles and see how they stack up against us.

Gettysburgh_Steel
09-15-2008, 06:09 PM
I agree Top man,but "The Pa.Bowl" ain't gonna be any easier or tougher than the Clowns were.Clowns brought thier best game they had.I give them credit up till that point.They brought heat time after time,and the "Steelers" hardly even flexed. I said "hardly" .You can bet cha......@ss,that Tomlin and the crew are watching this game closely tonight.Probably like "required" reading for the whole team.Philly can bring the heat as much as the browneyes,If not better. It's an out of conference match-up that the Broweyes,and Steelers must play this season,i think.(let me know if that is not correct).
Also,the "Steelers" have to play the cowboys down the lane somewhwere.Again film on two teams we must face down the road.Tomlin and his staff must be having a field day! One thing is for sure,Philly don't know too much now ,that they didn't know before the browneye game.
But we will probably get a good look-see at what they have tonight.:tt02::cope:

SteelerSteve
09-15-2008, 07:53 PM
This eagles game is gonna be tough. With a healthy Mcnabb they very well could be the class of the NFC. We'll see how the do against dallas though.

steelerschick1220
09-15-2008, 08:24 PM
I think the Eagles game will be a much better tell of where we are and what kind of team we are. I think the game tonight will tell us just how good Philly is, because the Rams suck. But I agree with Troyisabeast, in that there is no reason we shouldn't beat 6-0 or at the very least 5-1 going into the tough part of our schedule. However, there is no such thing as a sure win and that's why they play the games. If we win the divison great, but I am just more concerned with making the playoffs. As we all know, we don't have to win the divison to win it all.

Stairwayto7
09-15-2008, 08:51 PM
I`m not even going to read this, we need a big cushion, who knows what wins or losses are ahead, or injuries for that matter

Gettysburgh_Steel
09-15-2008, 09:34 PM
well good to see some of us left The brown-eyes lay where we left them and looking forward to this Sunday @4:15. Whole different ball game.

BlitzburghRockCity
09-15-2008, 09:38 PM
Even if Philly does lose tonight and isn't able to even look decent one game doesn't make a season either way. The NFC east is between the eagles and cowboys anyways and Dallas is the cream of the crop in the NFC no question this year. It's a good test for the eagles and hopefully we'll rise to the occasion this coming weekend and show the NFC what the AFC can do as well.

Gettysburgh_Steel
09-15-2008, 09:57 PM
Well top man,we saw what the cowboys could do to the brown-eyes,and we saw what the eagles could do to the rams.Since we play them both i think it is good film material for us.hate to say it but i think the eagles win this game with the pressure they can create with the pass rush!!!!!!!!!

steelcitysfinestXL
09-15-2008, 10:19 PM
I really have to agree that its a bit early to REALLY buy into this kind of talk. Most of us knew the Texans were upstart and the Browns were an "on paper" team.

On the other hand, there are some good things we can take from these openning two weeks:

1. the fundamentals appear to be VERY solid
-blocking
-tackling
-assignments
We can fix anything if those things are intact, i really think coach mike has been hammering "fundamentals" home

2. Ben looks SHARP: He is moving through progressions MUCH better than ever. There is very little hesitation on his passes, and if there is its because he has time! Two plays where he hesitated last game: 46 yd completion to Holmes and the bomb that he laid right in willies breadbasket. He isnt holding the ball forever, if it isnt there, he leaves the tackle box and chucks it OOB. I cant wait to see him have a game where he throws 25 plus passes.

3. Solid D: We are destroying the run, as usual. When we get a pass rush, i really think we are the best D in the league. When we dont, the secondary has REALLY held up.
Great tackling across the board, and EVERYONE is playing with attitude!!!!

4. SPEACIAL TEAMS: Vastly improved on the coverage teams against the best 2 return men in the league in Cribbs and Davis!! Too bad D-sep went down, we really might of had something speacial in punting situations! Hopefully the return game will step it up a lil bit here as we go on.

Im not gonna say we have the divisionon lock, but its the start we needed and should have expected. The next 2 weeks are gonna get harder in a hurry. Baltimore is the #2 team in the division right now. They may not look like much but, they are the only other team in our division with a win. Philly got busy on STL, yeah thats not saying much but they will be the biggest test thus far!!!!

As long as the team is taking this thing one week at a time, there is no harm in us speculating!!

Black@Gold Forever32
09-15-2008, 10:22 PM
I really have to agree that its a bit early to REALLY buy into this kind of talk. Most of us knew the Texans were upstart and the Browns were an "on paper" team.

On the other hand, there are some good things we can take from these openning two weeks:

1. the fundamentals appear to be VERY solid
-blocking
-tackling
-assignments
We can fix anything if those things are intact, i really think coach mike has been hammering "fundamentals" home

2. Ben looks SHARP: He is moving through progressions MUCH better than ever. There is very little hesitation on his passes, and if there is its because he has time! Two plays where he hesitated last game: 46 yd completion to Holmes and the bomb that he laid right in willies breadbasket. He isnt holding the ball forever, if it isnt there, he leaves the tackle box and chucks it OOB. I cant wait to see him have a game where he throws 25 plus passes.

3. Solid D: We are destroying the run, as usual. When we get a pass rush, i really think we are the best D in the league. When we dont, the secondary has REALLY held up.
Great tackling across the board, and EVERYONE is playing with attitude!!!!

4. SPEACIAL TEAMS: Vastly improved on the coverage teams against the best 2 return men in the league in Cribbs and Davis!! Too bad D-sep went down, we really might of had something speacial in punting situations! Hopefully the return game will step it up a lil bit here as we go on.

Im not gonna say we have the divisionon lock, but its the start we needed and should have expected. The next 2 weeks are gonna get harder in a hurry. Baltimore is the #2 team in the division right now. They may not look like much but, they are the only other team in our division with a win. Philly got busy on STL, yeah thats not saying much but they will be the biggest test thus far!!!!

As long as the team is taking this thing one week at a time, there is no harm in us speculating!!

You're one of my favorite posters.....:yellowthumb: I can't wait to see Ben throw it 25-30 times a game.....Me asking for that is bitching and moaning according to some.....:lol:

steelcitysfinestXL
09-15-2008, 10:40 PM
I can't wait to see Ben throw it 25-30 times a game.....Me asking for that is bitching and moaning according to some.....:lol:

I mean seiously, after watching him play in these first two games... i mean REALLY watching him play, he hasnt thrown a bad pass yet. Hasnt made a bad read yet. Even on that bomb to parker, he had holmes wide open. He probley should of hit Santonio for the easy first, but he laid that ball in perfectly and wille should of held on even with taking a big hit.

I know he hasnt really been piling up the attempts so far this season, but he hasnt had to. When he does, i think the rest of the NFL (and its fans) will realize Ben is no longer a game manager. (YES, people still say that:thinking:)

Black@Gold Forever32
09-15-2008, 10:45 PM
I mean seiously, after watching him play in these first two games... i mean REALLY watching him play, he hasnt thrown a bad pass yet. Hasnt made a bad read yet. Even on that bomb to parker, he had holmes wide open. He probley should of hit Santonio for the easy first, but he laid that ball in perfectly and wille should of held on even with taking a big hit.

I know he hasnt really been piling up the attempts so far this season, but he hasnt had to. When he does, i think the rest of the NFL (and its fans) will realize Ben is no longer a game manager. (YES, people still say that:thinking:)

To me Big Ben is the 3rd best QB in the NFL today...2nd best that is healthy meaning since Brady is out the only one I would rank over him is Peyton Manning...I hate just seeing have 15 attempts a game....True the Steelers havn't needed to air it out much...But it would be nice if they did....I didn't think he was a game manager when he was a rookie or in his 2nd year..He still made plays when called upon.......

Gettysburgh_Steel
09-15-2008, 10:47 PM
i'm buyin baby cause i am a bleeder.black and gold,but we needed to move on after the brown-eyes.Next up is a pa interstate rival.

dawgs
09-17-2008, 06:40 PM
well who ever makes the playoffs from the AFC north will lose anyways. There is still so much football left. But I cant see browns or steelers going far in the playoffs.

Dean Denton
09-17-2008, 06:42 PM
well who ever makes the playoffs from the AFC north will lose anyways. There is still so much football left. But I cant see browns or steelers going far in the playoffs.
There has to be some kind of rule about smoking crack and posting here.
1. The Browns will be luckt to see 7-9 this year.
2. We already know the Steelers will make the playoffs, because they do almost every year. Its tradition. We come to expect it.
3. The Steelers are the front runner for the AFC, and I really dont see anyone standing in OUR way. We know its not the Browns.
4. Hey Dawg, Does it hurt when you watch the Browns play? Do tears spill from your eyes as you watch the Steelers pound on them year after year?

Troyisabeast_43
09-17-2008, 06:45 PM
well who ever makes the playoffs from the AFC north will lose anyways. There is still so much football left. But I cant see browns or steelers going far in the playoffs.

Dont worry because you cant go far in the playoffs when you dont make the playoffs which is where the Browns are already headed...

Stairwayto7
09-17-2008, 07:00 PM
well who ever makes the playoffs from the AFC north will lose anyways. There is still so much football left. But I cant see browns or steelers going far in the playoffs.

Wow and this is from a crystal ball? Your the one that predicted the browns were ready to take the AFCN away from the Steelers, and now your down three games after two weeks, sounds like sour grapes to me! No other way to explain that!

Dude come with something descent, its starting to become more and more apparent that your just trying to get arise out of some people.

I don`t put much into power rankings, especially after two weeks, but more people have us rank either no 2 or no 3, they must see something in us?
MSN Steelers 3 ESPN Steelers 2

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To get back to the main topic. It is stupid to think that the division race is over yet. We have a good lead, but have to keep the pressure on.

Lone Wolf
09-17-2008, 07:17 PM
There's way too much football left to say the race is over. The Steelers have got to be the favorite, but a lot could happen between now and December. They just need to take it one step at a time, and the Eagles should be the only thing on their minds right now.

SteelerSteve
09-17-2008, 07:32 PM
well who ever makes the playoffs from the AFC north will lose anyways. There is still so much football left. But I cant see browns or steelers going far in the playoffs.
Its okay everyone. Dawgs knows that the browns cant beat us, so now he's gonna root for a team that is actually good to beat us. Newsflash Dawgs, the browns are NOT going to the playoffs, I bet they wont even get to .500

ItAintEasyBeingPeazy
09-17-2008, 08:07 PM
well who ever makes the playoffs from the AFC north will lose anyways. There is still so much football left. But I cant see browns or steelers going far in the playoffs.

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