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BlitzburghRockCity
05-12-2008, 09:52 AM
Just reading this months Steelers Digest, the draft recap edition, and they had small piece in there about Ryan Clark and him coming back from his injury last year. They were saying how he's looking good so far, played well in mini camp, and they like where he is at this point in his recovery. One thing that stood out for me was when they quoted him he said: " the victory in it has been certain guys telling me how much different the team is when I'm out there and how happy they are to see my back out there".

Now maybe you can read into that and maybe you can't but the guy was brought in from Washington a couple years and was a very good Safety then working with Sean Taylor on a defense in Washington that was very good. Just something interesting to think about in the offseason that Anthony Smith has a lot of work to do this year and with Clark seeming to get more healthy each time he steps on the field, this is a pivotal time for both. Perhaps the team has lost some confidence in Smith to get the job done?

ItAintEasyBeingPeazy
05-12-2008, 11:29 AM
Yea i was watching NFL replay the other day when we played Cincy and Smith was layin the lumber on Housh and Chad. But it seems like that is the only game that we all talk about when it comes to Smith, i mean look at his body of work and there's not much there then a couple of good hits. When Clark was in he's played very solid consistant football, just without flash. I guess we all want Smith to step up and be a badass and a consistant player..but at this point it's one or the other.

BlitzburghRockCity
05-12-2008, 11:37 AM
I still think Smith has a good upside and I'm certainly not ready to write him off just yet by any means. I think though he did play pretty well overall during the year but then he shot his mouth off; consequently got schooled by Brady, then got benched and just never really made any significant impact in crunch time when we really need everyone firing on all cylinders. Perhaps his teammates feel he's not ready to be the consistent player they need or maybe this whole thing results in a whole lot of nothing but either way it's interesting to hear Clark say something like that.

ItAintEasyBeingPeazy
05-12-2008, 11:50 AM
I haven't ruled Smith out either...i would love for him to take over that spot, me personally i like him and his style. I can even live with a missed tackle here and there in trade for a de-cleater smashmouth hit. Sometimes plays like that energize the whole D and can be more of an impact than we realize.I guess i'm just greedy wanting the attitude and consistancy..and who knows maybe he'll get on that level this year.

BlackGold4vr
05-12-2008, 12:03 PM
We have Anthony Smith who we all hope can someday bring his play up to the same level as his trash talk.

We have "Silverback" who is another playa with a tude.

To add to all that we draft Bruce Davis who from what I've read is "Joey Porter" reincarnated.

Can't wait to see all these guys on the field at the same time! :yesnod:

I like these kinds of players as long as they can control their emotions and not cost us games with unsportsmanlike penalties! Football is a game that is played with emotions. One of the things that many of the sports most famous icons had in common was the passion and attitudes that they played the game with. I am also a huge fan of the decleater hits! :yellowthumb:

BlitzburghRockCity
05-12-2008, 12:08 PM
There's no denying Smith is a monster at bringing the wood on an opposing WR when he gets the chance and that can certainly energize a defense and really an entire team. Having players with that trash talking, tough, mean, attitude is good for a defense; having a mix of quiet guys and mean guys really helps the defense stay competitive and level headed in the midst of a game. Having too many hot heads can result in a break down of concentration and mental errors becasue you get so fired up sometimes you get taken out of your game. Conversely having guys like Farrior, Polamalu, Aaron Smith, etc who lead by example and don't say much help keep the unit consistent. It works out well for us when we have that nice mix but we definitely need more consistency out of key players this year and Smith is one of them.

DIESELMAN
05-12-2008, 12:34 PM
Clark brings consistency and level headed playing. Smith needs to learn a lot more before he's a player we can rely on every Sunday. Glad to hear he's gettin back to 100%, we need him.

Mike Tomlin
05-12-2008, 01:00 PM
The thing that Clark brings is better field I.Q. I mean he plays a lot smarter than Smith and I can't remember him giving up a big play. We all talk about Smith because he's a hitter but believe it or not Clark hits just as hard as Smith. Just watch some the games he played. Smith lives for that big hit which hurts us in coverage, if you flash a receiver underneath and pump fake the ball Smith will take the bait everytime (New England). I think the coaches for New England ran that play all week with Anthony's mouth and aggressiveness in mind. Don't get me wrong a love Smith just like the next fan but I think he would best serve this team in special teams and some packges or to rest up Clark. With Smith on special teams he can use that big hit ability to make other teams and return men always wonder where he is when the ball is in the air which opens door for other special teamers to make the play.

steelcitysfinestXL
05-12-2008, 02:34 PM
I like both players alot but smith has abilities you CANT teach. Closing speed, ball skills, and a killer instinct!! The "IQ" and "level headedness" can be taught in one offseason. Both guys can lay the wood but smith def has the edge there. Tomlin needs to take ant under his wing and teach him INS and outs of THI defense and let him create chaos within the scheme of this defense. Tomlin can't teach Clark to run faster... My vote is for smith but I think its once again ryans job to lose in the eyes of the coaches!

K Train
05-12-2008, 04:47 PM
smiths skills are better imo, shut up about late last year because he was always a badass for us before the pats game. hes got better speed, hits harder and has better ball skills...hes just gotta learn the game more. hes a prick no doubt, but he brings alot of intensity and is only gonna get better...he hit a slump, but he'll bounce back

Black@Gold Forever32
05-12-2008, 06:52 PM
smiths skills are better imo, shut up about late last year because he was always a badass for us before the pats game. hes got better speed, hits harder and has better ball skills...hes just gotta learn the game more. hes a prick no doubt, but he brings alot of intensity and is only gonna get better...he hit a slump, but he'll bounce back

I don't think anyone will deny that Anthony Smith has skills....He has the best ballhawk skills on the team....But he plays with reckless abandon sometimes....It was even before the Pats game...All he has to is harness that emotion on field and he will be fine.....

I also think Smith is better suited for strong safety.....With Clark healthy and if he can stay healthy that will be a plus....Then when Troy goes down again with injury which will happen ( I'm sure it will happen). Move Smith to strong safety and lets hope he develops into the safety we need in this defense....

BlitzburghRockCity
05-12-2008, 08:56 PM
Smith was not quite a "badass" last year; he was decent but no more special than any other Safety in the league. His stats for 2007 show that did a decent job last year (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9669) but not spectacular. I like the kid, I hope he does well for us and bounces back but he needs to be more consistent in areas other than just dishing out the big hits. You can see in the stats that he had his biggest games against Cincy, which is all fine because divisional games are important but you can see the drop off in most of the rest of the games in "solo" tackles. You can't count total tackles so much because it's impossible to say how many were in the tackle, how many times he needed help because of getting burnt, etc. I've been singing his praises and hoping he would be able to win the job outright last year when Clark went down but he wasn't up to the challenge. I hope he is this year because he's a high round draft pick and we need him to be ready.

All I know is the guy needs to step up because right now Clark is team favorite and apparently the one that the guys respect more for his on the field production.

manofsteel
05-14-2008, 07:35 AM
As long has Clark stays healthy its his job to lose. AS is going to be really good one day. He still has some learning to do and he can get that by watchong Ryan play.

Steel58
05-15-2008, 09:20 AM
Clark wasn't to aggressive like Smith was back there. I do like Smith when he lays the smack on the opposing recievers.

steelcityrockers
05-15-2008, 03:48 PM
Troy and Anthony Smith are really, really similar talent wise, with Smith being dumber and much more mistake prone.

steelcitysfinestXL
05-15-2008, 05:55 PM
Troy and Anthony Smith are really, really similar talent wise, with Smith being dumber and much more mistake prone.

I agree he and troy posess alot of the same skills, but i really think ant has been "coached up" enough so to speak. I think if they put an emphasis on him learning the system and playin with in that system he'll pan out to be something special. With clark healthy i think they will be splitting time until ant can learn to play his role in our D!

Black@Gold Forever32
05-15-2008, 06:25 PM
Troy and Anthony Smith are really, really similar talent wise, with Smith being dumber and much more mistake prone.

Troy has made plenty of mistakes the last two years....:lol: I remember the Ravens game at Heinz in 06.....I was at the game so I saw it first hand....Troy was *** raped that day.....gave up a couple long completions in coverage...lol Then last year Troy's tackling was average at best.....He missed a ton of tackles last year.....Smith has had his bad moments...But he also doesn't have the huge contract like Troy...So I can live with Smith's mistakes more then Troy's...lol

Troy Polamalu=Most Over-rated Player In The NFL......I only hope Troy rebounds and makes me eat my words....But I'm not counting on it....:lol: I'm sure it will be another injury riddled year for Troy...lol

steelcitysfinestXL
05-15-2008, 06:56 PM
Troy Polamalu=Most Over-rated Player In The NFL......

i dont know about that :scratch:!!! Troys not even the most over-rated saftey. I'd have to give that distinction to guys like John Lynch, Roy Williams and Rodney Harrison. All commentators do is talk about their ability to lay a big hit. Let Lynch or Williams line up against Antonio Gates, Dallas Clark or any decent tight end... it curtains!!! I have been very disappointed in Troys play too but he is still a top notch player!! Missed tackles and all!

steelcityrockers
05-15-2008, 08:12 PM
Roy Williams is most definately the most overrated Safety in the NFL. He should be a linebacker. He cannot cover to save is life.

Black@Gold Forever32
05-15-2008, 09:15 PM
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i dont know about that :scratch:!!! Troys not even the most over-rated saftey. I'd have to give that distinction to guys like John Lynch, Roy Williams and Rodney Harrison. All commentators do is talk about their ability to lay a big hit. Let Lynch or Williams line up against Antonio Gates, Dallas Clark or any decent tight end... it curtains!!! I have been very disappointed in Troys play too but he is still a top notch player!! Missed tackles and all!

John Lynch and Rodney Harrison are both 100 years old.....:lol: As for Roy Williams...He has always been over-rated......But you can't honestly believe Troy is a top notch player right now?...He use to be but his last two years have not been top notch at all.....

I watch the games and I see Troy blowing coverage and tackles at a consistent basis the last two years....Of course he makes some tackles and breaks up a few passes here and there....But he hasn't had a pick since 2006 and a sack since 2006.....He is getting paid to make those game changing plays and those havn't been there....Troy is over-rated and the reason I say he is the most is since people think he is one those few elite players in the NFL when he is not.....

K Train
05-15-2008, 10:41 PM
roy williams isnt even overrated, he is what he is and they know that

steelcitysfinestXL
05-16-2008, 03:41 PM
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John Lynch and Rodney Harrison are both 100 years old.....:lol: As for Roy Williams...He has always been over-rated......But you can't honestly believe Troy is a top notch player right now?...He use to be but his last two years have not been top notch at all.....

I watch the games and I see Troy blowing coverage and tackles at a consistent basis the last two years....Of course he makes some tackles and breaks up a few passes here and there....But he hasn't had a pick since 2006 and a sack since 2006.....He is getting paid to make those game changing plays and those havn't been there....Troy is over-rated and the reason I say he is the most is since people think he is one those few elite players in the NFL when he is not.....

I agree with you on the fact that troy isnt playing up to his pay... but he got the contract in the 07 season... its a lil early to say he isnt worth the $$$ esp with the seasons he had leading up to the contract. Yea he misses tackles and as a former LB that pisses me off to no end... but alot of those tackles were at the line of scrimmage or in the backfield... he's everywhere!!! I hate the missed tackles but he is still make dynamic plays evergame he plays in, just by slowing the backs down long enough for foote and farrior to clean them up.

steelcityrockers
05-16-2008, 03:46 PM
roy williams isnt even overrated, he is what he is and they know that

So that is why the Cowboys have yet to get a safety to pair with him that can over? Hamlin is better, but nothing spectacular.