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darnik44
03-07-2008, 02:00 PM
FIRST ROUND

1. Miami Dolphins - Sedrick Ellis, NT, Southern California

Ellis seems to make the most sense to me. Nose tackles are hard to come by and Ellis certainly looks the part. He was dominant at the Senior Bowl and backed up that performance at the combine. He comes from a winnning program at USC and is a competitor. Chris Long or Vernon Gholston don't make sense to me because of the money they would have tied up at the LB position with Jason Taylor and Joey Porter already having big contracts. I'm also unsure how all three would get on the field at the same time. I believe the Matt Ryan rumors are just that, rumors and a possible ploy to get the Atlanta Falcons to try to move up.

Other options: Jake Long, Chris Long, Vernon Gholston, Darren McFadden

2. St. Louis Rams - Jake Long, OT, Michigan

There are several direction the Rams could go here. Jake Long showed he's the real deal at the combine and the Rams have a real need at LT with Orlando Pace's HOF career coming to an end. The Rams have invested enough high picks along the DL to make me rule out Glenn Dorsey, Chris Long, and Vernon Gholston. There could be a slim chance they go with Matt Ryan here given the fact they were considering Jay Cutler two years ago. Marc Bulger is good enough and young enough that his job is secure for the near future.

Other options: Glenn Dorsey, Chris Long, Vernon Gholston

3. Atlanta Falcons - Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College

This is getting closer and closer to being a lock. You can't win in the NFL without a viable starter a QB and the closet is bare for the Falcons. Arthur Blank came right out and said a QB would be the pick, and there's not much argument Ryan is this years top QB. Ryan has been quoted saying Atlanta is a great city and Blank is a good owner. Sure he's going to lobby to be a top 5 pick, I'll be surprised if Ryan isn't their starter next year. I'm sure Darren McFadden will get a look and provided he has a clean bill of health Glenn Dorsey will too. If the Rams pass on Jake Long, things could get interesting here. I could see the Raiders and Chiefs getting in a bidding war to move up.

Other options: Glenn Dorsey, Chris Long, Vernon Gholston

4. Oakland Raiders - Darren McFadden, HB, Arkansas

This just seems like an Al Davis type pick. Davis loves speed, and after McFadden's 4.33 40 at the combine McFadden could be a Raider. This might not be the most sensible pick for the Raiders, but after spending last years first pick on JaMarcus Russell the Raiders need to begin building around him. The closet will be full at the RB position and I'm not sure why NFLN calls RB the Raiders biggest need, but this seems a very likely pick. I'm sure Chris Long will get a very long look here, but defense isn't the problem in Oakland.

Other options: Chris Long, Glenn Dorsey, Vernon Gholston

5. Kansas City Chiefs - Glenn Dorsey, DT, Louisiana State

It's going to be interesting how the medical reports play out for Dorsey, but if everything checks out he's too good for the Chiefs to pass on. Not the biggest need the Chiefs have, but that's not what it's all about. It's about getting better players. Dorsey could help tremendously in the Chiefs attempt to play some defense and stop the run. Line him up next to Jared Allen, and opposing offensive coordinators will have nightmares. If Dorsey doesn't check out medically, don't be surprised to see the Chiefs reach for a tackle here and take either Ryan Clady or Chris Williams.

Other options: Chris Williams, Ryan Clady, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie

6. New York Jets - Vernon Gholston, OLB, Ohio State

After flipping a coin here to choose between Vernon Gholston and Chris Long, I think Gholston gets the nod because he might be a slightly better OLB prospect and has had experience standing up. If the first 5 picks play out like I have here, I couldn't immagine the Jets taking anyone other than Gholston or Long. If Darren McFadden is still on the board here this pick could get interesting. Not only would McFadden entice the Jets, this could be where teams begin to consider moving up to take McFadden.

Other options: Chris Long, Jonathan Stewart

7. New England Patriots - Chris Long, OLB/DE

Long really seems like a Patriots type of player to me. First and foremost he's a football player. With the Patriots defensive scheme and philosophies they would have several options on how to best utilize his talents. We might even see him catching touchdown passes for the Patriots al la Mike Vrabel. If Vernon Gholston and Long are both somehow still on the board, they may have the same dilema as the Jets. If that's the case, Long seems a better fit to me for what the Patriots look for.

Other options: Keith Rivers, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Kenny Phillips

8. Baltimore Ravens - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee State

After a standout Senior Bowl followed by a very impressive combine, Rodgers-Cromartie has seen his stock rise all the way to the top 10. Perhaps no player in this class has as much up side as Rodgers-Cromartie. The Ravens secondary was the weak link of a generally solid unit. Cromartie can fill an immediate need at nickleback while he waits in the wings to become a starter.

Other options: Brian Brohm, Keith Rivers, Kenny Phillips, Antoine Cason

9. Cincinnati Bengals - Keith Rivers, OLB/ILB, Southern California

Best case scenario for the Bengals in my opinion. Last year they were playing defensive linemen at linebacker and by seasons end the cupboard was bare at the LB position. The Bengals have struggled to stop the run and Rivers could be a move in the right direction. I also think with all the drama the Bengals have had over the last couple years, I think it's important they get players with a winning, competitive attitude. Rivers coming from USC fits that bill in addition to fitting a need. Rivers is also worth every bit of a top 10 pick, and given the right situation one of my early favorites to be next years defensive ROY.

Other options: Derrick Harvey, Kenny Phillips, Quentin Groves

10. New Orleans Saints - Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt

Not the most exciting or popular pick here, but a sensible one non the less. The Saints have some issues along the offensive line that includes skill and depth. Add to that the inability for the Saints to establish a running game, Williams makes good sense to me. This could be the type of pick that could help the '06 pick of Reggie Bush to begin to pay dividends. Cornerback might be the most glaring need, but it's also a very deep position in this years draft class. Local product Chevis Jackson could be a very good 2nd round pick for them.

Other options: Antoine Cason, Dan Connor, Ryan Clady, Leodis McKelvin

11. Buffalo Bills - Dan Connor, OLB/ILB, Penn State

Maybe a slight reach here, but the Bills have shown they aren't affraid to reach a bit. They might be best served to try to deal down here, and I'm sure they'll expore their option. They fell in love with Paul Posluszny last year and nearly took him in the first, so I'm sure they love Connor as well. They need an OLB, and why not reunite Connor with Posluszny and solidify the LB positon for years to come? Receiver might be the biggest need the Bills have, but the class is deep and nobody stands out enough to warrent a pick this high.

Other options: Devin Thomas, Limas Sweed, Kentwan Balmer, Antoine Cason, Kenny Phillips

12. Denver Broncos - Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State

The biggest need for the Broncos seems to be along the offensive line. Clady is an ideal fit for the Broncos zone blocking scheme. Clady is raw and has inconsistancies in his technique, but has a ton of upside. There are a few directions the Broncos could go here, but no clear option that doesn't involve a bit of a reach. The Broncos have to be considered a team likely to attemp to trade down.

Other options: Kentwan Balmer, Rashard Mendenhall, Kenny Phillips, Devin Thomas

13. Carolina Panthers - Kenny Phillips, S, Miami

Good pick here for the Panthers. Safety is a huge need, and Phillips is a boom or bust prospect with a very high ceiling. Phillips can easily step in and start immediatly and will help greatly in solidifying the secondary. An offensive tackle should also get a lot of consideration here as well. If Ryan Clady is still on the board, this could be a tough call for the Panthers.

Other options: Brian Brohm, Jonathan Stewart, Antoine Cason, Jeff Otah

14. Chicago Bears - Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville

I know this pick will get some arguments here. Brohm may be a slight reach here, but only by a little in my opinion. I fully expect the Bears to try to deal down here, but for now I'm giving them Brohm. The Bears just signed Rex Grossman to a one year deal and I think that says a lot. The Bears have lacked a viable starter at QB for a long time now and I thinks it's time for change. Many feel they may try to grab a guy like Chad Henne in the 2nd or possibly get Brohm in the 2nd. I feel the need at QB is too big for them to gamble on who may or may not be available in the 2nd. If they are able to move down and pick up another 2nd round pick maybe they do gamble. If they are forced to make a selection at #14, I feel Brohm should and will be the pick. Brohm could be a steal here. His production fell off his senior year, but he was also forced to learn a new system.

Other options: Rashard Mendenhall, Jonathan Stewart, Jeff Otah, Mike Jenkins, Devin Thomas, Limas Sweed, Kentwan Balmer

15. Detroit Lions - Jonathan Stewart, HB, Oregon

I think Stewart will be too good to pass on here. I personally give Stewart a top 10 grade and rank him as my #2 back. His size, speed, and vision all add up to what I expect to be a great NFL running back. Cornerback is the bigger need, but Stewart is a better value. Both cornerback and runningback are very deep positions, but I feel the RB position drops off after McFadden, Stewart, and Mendenhall. A guy like cornerback Patrick Lee could be available in the 2nd round.

Other options: Rashard Mendenhall, Mike Jenkins, Jeff Otah, Derrick Harvey

16. Arizona Cardinals - Rashard Mendenhall, HB, Illinois

With an aging Edgerine James, and no good options behind him this pick should be easy for the Cardinals with Mendenhall still on the board. Mendenhall appears to be the complete package and could do a lot to improve the Cardinals offense. The Cardinals have struggled in the red zone, and Mendenhallís presence and ability to catch the ball could be the missing link.

Other options: Mike Jenkins, Leodis McKelvin, Jeff Otah, Derrick Harvey

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darnik44
03-07-2008, 02:01 PM
17. Minnesota Vikings - Mike Jenkins, CB, South Florida

There are a lot of options for the Vikings here. One option would be DE but they seem to be looking towards free agency to address that hole. The Vikings otherwise great defense has struggled to get off the field on passing downs. The addition of Jenkins gives the Vikings an immediate improvement covering the slot and a solid starter for the future.

Other options: Derrick Harvey, Phillip Merling, Jeff Otah, Devin Thomas, Reggie Smith

18. Houston Texans - Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy

Many compare McKelvin to Texans cornerback and former first round pick Dunta Robinson, so why not fill a need and get a guy who's a good fit. McKelvin could be a steal if he's still on the board, many feel he's a top 10 pick. McKelvin paired with Robinson could be one of the league's top CB tandems for year to come. McKelvin's biggest knock is his ability to catch the ball, but he get's his hands on the ball as much as anybody. Felix Jones will also be a guy to keep an eye on here, but I'm not sure he's separated himself enough to persuade the Texans to take a back here instead of a little later on. Their absence of a 2nd round pick makes them suspect to attempt dealing down.

Other options: Jeff Otah, Felix Jones, Jamaal Charles, Devin Thomas, Limas Sweed

19. Philadelphia Eagles - Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida

The Eagles have spent several draft picks on the DL over the past several years, yet the unit is still an area of need. More specifically the lack of a consistant pass rush. With Harvey, they bring in a guy labeled a pass rush specialists. Many draw similarities to former Gator Jevon Kerse who recently left the Eagles via free agency. The Eagles could elect to address another pressing need at the WR position, or choose to take an offensive tackle here. The secondary is also another area in need of upgrading, so this pick is a bit of a wild card.

Other options: Limas Sweed, Devin Thomas, DeSean Jackson, Reggie Smith, Jeff Otah, Phillip Merling, Aqib Talib

20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Kentwan Balmer, DT/DE, North Carolina

I'm sure the Bucs would take a long look at DeSean Jackson here, and if he's available he could be the pick. If not, Balmer would be a solid pick here. I'm big on teams taking picks to help recent top picks, and Balmer could help increase the value and productivity of last year's top pick Gaines Adams. The need at receiver could outweigh the need at DT though and ultimately could be their pick. From a value standpoint, I don't see a receiver who outweighs Balmer though.

Other options: DeSean Jackson, Limas Sweed, Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, Felix Jones, Antoine Cason

21. Washington Redskins - Limas Sweed, WR, Texas

The Redskins have a group of smurfs at the WR position, and Sweed is anything but a smurf. The pick of Sweed here should go a long way in aiding the development of former first round pick Jason Campbell. This could also be the missing piece of the puzzle for the Redskins who have struggled in the red zone to make the step to be legitimate contenders. They could very well choose to address the DL here with Calais Campbell or Derrick Harvey. Kentwan Balmer if available should also get a look. I also think cornerback could be a strong possibility as well.

Other options: Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas, Antoine Cason, Phillip Merling, Branden Albert, Aqib Talib

22. Dallas Cowboys - Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona

It's beginning to look like Rodgers-Cromartie may very well be long gone by this pick, but if not I'd call him a lock. After his performance at the Senior Bowl followed by the combine, he may be the most intriguing prospect in this class and probably has the highest ceiling. Jerry Jones loves speed, and the Cowboys have room for improvement in the secondary. Rodgers-Cromartie could be long gone though, he might end up a top 10 pick.

Other options: Reggie Smith, DeSean Jackson, Felix Jones, Aqib Talib

23. Pittsburgh Steelers - Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State

The offensive line is the biggest need, but adding a guy like Thomas could be the best choice to help out immediately. The Steelers have done a good job of bringing in 3rd and 4th round talent along the offensive line and developing them into solid players. Ben Roethlisberger requested a tall receiver, and a t nearly 6-3 Thomas fit's the bill. With Tomas the Steelers would add a solid #3 receiver and a solid future #1 or #2 receiver once Hines Ward's days as a Steeler come to an end. The biggest and most immediate need Thomas would fill would be as a return man, an area that has hurt the Steelers in recent years.

Other option: Branden Albert, Jeff Otah, Phillip Merling, Reggie Smith

24. Tennessee Titans - DeSean Jackson, WR, California

For the Titans to begin seeing big dividends for their #3 overall selection of Vince Young a couple years ago, the Titans will need to add some talent around him. The Titans took a step in the right direction with the free agent signing of tight end Alge Crumpler. Now the Titans need to add some weapons at the receiver position. Jackson is an intriguing prospect with a lot of upside. Jackson's game-breaking ability is something the Titans offense lacks. Jackson is also arguably this years top return man.

Other options: Phillip Merling, Dre Moore, Reggie Smith, Aqib Talib, James Hardy

25. Seattle Seahawks - Felix Jones, HB, Arkansas

The Seahawks are one of the tougher teams to forecast, but there's no question they need to get the running game back to where it once was. Is Shaun Alexander washed up? I don't know that answer, but I do know he has a lot of miles on him. Felix Jones could be the perfect contrast to Alexander's running style. Tight end can't be ruled out here either.

Other options: Fred Davis, Martin Rucker, Jeff Otah, Jamaal Charles, Branden Albert

26. Jacksonville Jaguars - Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson

The Jags pick is a little tough to pin point. With an already solid team in place, I look for the Jags to go BPA that fitís a need. With Merling still on the board here, the Jags get a very good value, and improve an area of need at the DE position. In addition to the need, Merling seems like a good fit for Jack Del Rioís philosophies and defensive scheme. The Jags could also look to improve the OL or LB position here as well.

Other options: Quentin Groves, Calais Campbell, Reggie Smith, Branden Albert, Aqib Talib, Erin Henderson

27. San Diego Chargers - Reggie Smith, S/CB, Oklahoma

There are so many routes the Chargers could take here. Reggie Smith is a versatile guy who could help the Chargers secondary in so many ways. A unit that used to be the weak link would all of the sudden be a strong point. I could also see them going with Smith's teamate from Oklahoma here and select ILB Curtis Lofton. I also wouldn't rule out Dre Moore who's versatility would greatly help their DL. Moore could be plugged in at DE or NT which are both areas of need and a harder area to fill later on in the draft.

Other options: Branden Albert, Curtis Lofton, Calais Campbell, James Hardy, Aqib Talib, Dre Moore

28. Dallas Cowboys - Branden Albert, OG/OT, Virginia

The Cowboys don't have a lot of holes or immediate needs, but the age and depth at along the offensive line makes Albert a sensible pick here. Albert's versatility adds to his value here. The Cowboys could also choose to take a RB here. In state prospect Jamaal Charles is a guy to keep an eye on. Chances are, the Cowboys will be making some type of move, and may not be selecting from this spot on draft day.

Other options: Jamaal Charles, Aqib Talib, James Hardy, Calais Campbell, Jeff Otah, Dre Moore

29. San Francisco 49ers - James Hardy, WR, Indiana

A big physical receiver and viable weapon in the red zone could be what the doctor ordered for the 49ers. Alex Smith has struggled and needs more weapons at receiver. With new O.C. Mike Martz in town, I think a receiver can totally be expected here. If they choose to go another route, help along the OL or DL may be in order.

Other options: Dre Moore, Quentin Groves, Shawn Crable, Curtis Lofton, Calais Campbell, Aqib Talib

30. Green Bay Packers - Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas

After running well at the combine, talib might not be an option here. If he is still available, the packers will be all over him. His ability to play press coverage makes him a good fit for the Packers. With all of the talented corners in this class, the Packers should have no problem landing a good one here if they so choose that route. Don't rule out Shawn Crable or Quentin Groves here. The Packers may also choose to beef up the OL here as well. Branden Albert could be a great pick if all the top corners are taken.

Other options: Erin Henderson, Curtis Lofton, Brandon Flowers, Sam Baker, Shawn Crable, Quentin Groves

31. New York Giants - Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech

There's a lot of solid options here for the Giants. The Giants have an immediate need in the secondary both at the safety and CB position. With Flowers, they get a physical corner and a guy who could line up opposite last years top pick Aaron Ross for years to come. The Giants could also elect to address the safety position here which is a little bigger need. DaJuan Morgan would fill the need at safety, but arguably wouldn't match the value of Flowers. Offensive line help can't be ruled out here either. The Giants would do well to add a versatile guy like Sam Baker to add depth and flexibility and a little bit of youth.

Other options: Erin Henderson, Sam Baker, Jeff Otah, Shawn Crable, Quentin Groves, Jamaal Charles, Malcolm Kelly

Best Available

Jeff Otah, OT, Pitt
Calais Campbell, DE, Miami
Curtis Lofton, ILB, Oklahoma
Erin Henderson, OLB/ILB, Maryland
Dre Moore, DT/DE, Maryland
Sam Baker, OT/OG, Southern California
Shawn Crable, OLB/DE, Michigan
Quentin Groves, OLB/DE, Auburn
Jamaal Charles, HB, Texas
Pat Sims, DT/DE, Auburn
Mario Manningham, WR, Michigan
Martin Rucker, TE, Missouri
Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College
Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma
Lawrence Jackson, DE/OLB, Southern California
Fred Davis, TE, Southern California
Trevor Laws, DT, Notre Dame
DaJuan Morgan, S, N.C. State
Chad Henne, QB, Michigan
Patrick Lee, CB, Auburn
Chris Johnson, HB/KR, East Carolina
Phillip Wheeler, OLB/ILB, Georgia Tech
Early Doucet, WR, Louisiana State
Chevis Jackson, CB, Louisiana State
Ray Rice, HB, Rutgers
Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State
Carl Nicks, OT/OG, Nebraska
Charles Godfrey, CB/S, Iowa
Joe Flacco, QB, Deleware
John Carlson, TE, Notre Dame
Thomas DeCoud, S, California
Jerod Mayo, ILB, Tennessee
Ahtyba Rubin, DT, Iowa State
Martellus Bennett, TE, Texas A&M

Koopa
03-07-2008, 05:11 PM
:evilshake::evilshake::evilshake: , that's all you can really say about the steelers pick

K Train
03-07-2008, 05:17 PM
thats a terrible pick...with hardy, jones, jackson, manningham, and MALCOLM ****ING KELLY on the board.....

and weve done good with 3rd and 4th round talent on the offensive line? **** that whole paragraph.

no way connor see the top 25 and chris long all the way down at 8 is ridiculous...congratulations on making the rest of us a little dumber

DIESELMAN
03-07-2008, 06:16 PM
23. Pittsburgh Steelers - Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State

The offensive line is the biggest need, but adding a guy like Thomas could be the best choice to help out immediately. The Steelers have done a good job of bringing in 3rd and 4th round talent along the offensive line and developing them into solid players. Ben Roethlisberger requested a tall receiver, and a t nearly 6-3 Thomas fit's the bill. With Tomas the Steelers would add a solid #3 receiver and a solid future #1 or #2 receiver once Hines Ward's days as a Steeler come to an end. The biggest and most immediate need Thomas would fill would be as a return man, an area that has hurt the Steelers in recent years.

Other option: Branden Albert, Jeff Otah, Phillip Merling, Reggie Smith

Somehow, you knew you were going to get bashed over this pick right? :greengrin: If we even come close to making a pick like this, I swear to God, I will personally kick both Colbert and Tomlins ***. I'm pretty sure there will be a looooooooong line when I get there.

Black@Gold Forever32
03-07-2008, 06:17 PM
The Steelers have done a good job of drafting OL in rounds 3-4? Don't know what you been smoking?lol

I wouldn't call the drafting of Mathais Nkwenti, Max Starks, Trai Essex, Willie Colon a good job....Starks and Essex were 3rd rounders.... Nkwenti andColon were 4th rounders.....Those are also the 4 OL taken in rounds 3-4 by the Steelers this decade......

Nkwenti was a bum....Starks is a former starter that was replaced by Colon in the lineup last year...Essex hasn't showed much....Colon looks shaky as an OT with maybe a move to OG in the works......The only hope from that four is Colon.....I think he can make the transition to OG.....

As for Devin Thomas....I agree he would fill a need as a return guy....But I wouldn't take him at 23......Only WR I take at 23 is James Hardy......I know Hardy offers nothing as a return man...But Hardy is going to be a beast WR.....

MDSteel15
03-07-2008, 08:23 PM
This is the worst F:cursin::banging::evilshake: draft I've EVER seen! OMFG!!! You definately are off the reservation........ What team are you truly watching? Devin Thomas??? He is a 1 year wonder midget! There is no way we pass on Albert, Hardy, Otah, Cherilus, wait wait.... Malcolm Kelly!! You have him falling this far and he is rated to best WR!! OK. Next board.

darnik44
03-08-2008, 10:35 AM
I admittedly go back and forth on the Steelers pick. I usually have one prospect picked out by this point, but I don't this year. There are about 6 or 7 prospects I could see the Steelers drafting, and I would be happy with.

I realize Thomas isn't a conventional pick, but could be a very good one. It doesn't seem like any of you have seen much of Devin Thomas. Thomas is considered by a lot of people now to be the top WR in this class. He's nearly 6-3, he has great hands, is dangerous after the catch, he ran a 4.40 40 at the combine, and he's a very good return man. He averaged over 30 yards per return last year. The Steelers had Najah Davenport and Allen Rossum return kicks last year. Rossum is gone, and Davenport is nearly as big as a guard, so the need there is huge. The need for a #3 WR is pretty big too. Add to that Roethlisberger's request for a tall receiver. Thomas isn't Sweed, Hardy, or Kelly in the ht. category, but he is 6-3 and has a better verticle than any of them. Right now Malcolm Kelly has questions about his speed and ability to separate. Sweed has a wrist injury, and wrist injuries can be cronic. I just think it makes good sense to cover 2 needs with one pick. Oh, and he blocks too.

Check out his highlight, I don't think many of you know much about him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHbkz0IMIeA

SteelerSal
03-08-2008, 11:20 AM
Watched the video on Thomas which was not that impressive when the opposition was Bowling Green and UAB. Game and opponent stats below....not so impressive.

2007 Game Log Receiving
DATE OPP RESULT REC YDS AVG
9/1 UAB W 55-18 5 106 21.2
9/8 Bowling Green W 28-17 4 156 39.0
9/15 Pittsburgh W 17-13 3 53 17.7
9/22 @Notre Dame W 31-14 4 55 13.8
9/29 @Wisconsin L 37-34 4 111 27.8
10/6 Northwestern L 48-41 5 61 12.2
10/13 Indiana W 52-27 13 148 11.4
10/20 @Ohio State L 24-17 4 77 19.3
10/27 @Iowa L 34-27 9 139 15.4
11/3 Michigan L 28-24 7 65 9.3
11/10 @Purdue W 48-31 10 116 11.6
11/17 Penn State W 35-31 7 139 19.9
CHAMPS SPORTS BOWL AT ORLANDO FL Boston College L 24-21 4 34 8.5

K Train
03-08-2008, 11:23 AM
thomas is 6-1 not 6-3 and is not the best wr in the class...your the only one ive heard say that. id rather get ****ing bowman in the 4th than thomas in the first

darnik44
03-08-2008, 11:40 AM
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/darnik522/draft%20prospects/08dthomas.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t231/darnik/devin-thomas-card.jpg
POSITION: Wide Receiver
SCHOOL: Michigan State
CLASS: Senior
HT: 6-2
WT: 216
40: 4.40
Overview:

Devin Thomas burst onto the scene with a breakout junior season. Thomas went from a virtual unknown, to one of the most productive and exciting players in college football. Thomas has a lot of tools that have scouts falling in love with his potential. His combination of size, speed, and athletic ability are tops in this wide receiver class.

Strengths:

Thomas has an NFL body at 6-2, 216. He has long arms and very good leaping ability and good upper body strength. Thomas catches the ball with his hands, and does a good job of holding on after contact. He has a knack for making tough catches, and consistant enough to make all the routine catches. His speed (4.40 40) and athletic ability makes him dangerous after the catch. Averaged over 15 yards per reception. Willing and able to block when necessary. May have only scratched the surface of his overall potential. Added value in the return game.

Weaknesses:

One year wonder, so there's not an abundance of film available on him. Under-achieved early on in his career at Michigan St., and will have to answer questions about why this is the case. Tough to evaluate as a route runner because of the manner he was used at Michigan St. Hasn't displayed the ability to be a legitimate deep threat. Raw in some areas and will take some coaching up before he's a legitimate #1 receiver.

Analysis:

While he could be viewed as a bit of a project, I don't expect teams to ignor what he brings to the table. He has a rare combination of size, speed, ahtletic ability, and strength. When scouts look at that along with his return abilities and upside, I have to believe he ranks right up there with any receiver in this class. His ability to make tough catches and hold on after contact will make him a great fit as a slot receiver early in his career. He's a perfect prospect for a team looking for an immediate #3 receiver to develope into a #1, or #2. In the meantime he can earn his money on 3rd downs and in the return game.

NFL Comparison:

Andre Johnson, WR, Houston Texans

2007 - 79 catches for 1,260 yards (15.9) 8 TD's
Career - 85 catches for 1,350 yards (15.9) 9 TD's


http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/darnik522/devin-thomas-feb-new.jpg
BIO (http://msuspartans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/thomas_devin00.html)

DIESELMAN
03-08-2008, 11:43 AM
Got to be more then a 1 year wonder to be a 1st round pick.

darnik44
03-08-2008, 11:51 AM
Watched the video on Thomas which was not that impressive when the opposition was Bowling Green and UAB. Game and opponent stats below....not so impressive.

2007 Game Log Receiving
DATE OPP RESULT REC YDS AVG
9/1 UAB W 55-18 5 106 21.2
9/8 Bowling Green W 28-17 4 156 39.0
9/15 Pittsburgh W 17-13 3 53 17.7
9/22 @Notre Dame W 31-14 4 55 13.8
9/29 @Wisconsin L 37-34 4 111 27.8
10/6 Northwestern L 48-41 5 61 12.2
10/13 Indiana W 52-27 13 148 11.4
10/20 @Ohio State L 24-17 4 77 19.3
10/27 @Iowa L 34-27 9 139 15.4
11/3 Michigan L 28-24 7 65 9.3
11/10 @Purdue W 48-31 10 116 11.6
11/17 Penn State W 35-31 7 139 19.9
CHAMPS SPORTS BOWL AT ORLANDO FL Boston College L 24-21 4 34 8.5

When you add it all up you have, 79 catches for 1,260 yards (15.9) 8 TD's. You mentioned Bowling Green and UAB. Now look at the Iowa game. He was working against Charles Godfrey, one of this years better CB's. Thomas has 9 catches for 139 yards. Look at the Ohio State game. He was working against arguably the best CB in the nation in Malcolm Jenkins. Thomas didn't have a huge game, but solid. The Penn State game he abused Justin King for 7 catches and 139 yards. Also consider the fact he didn't exactly have a top notch QB or supporting cast.

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Got to be more then a 1 year wonder to be a 1st round pick.

Barry Sanders was a one year wonder...Also, do you realize Thomas played 2 year of JUCO ball and was a top 20 JUCO prospect? He only had the one unproductive year, and that particular year Michigan State's program and coaching staff was a joke.

Black@Gold Forever32
03-08-2008, 12:01 PM
I admittedly go back and forth on the Steelers pick. I usually have one prospect picked out by this point, but I don't this year. There are about 6 or 7 prospects I could see the Steelers drafting, and I would be happy with.

I realize Thomas isn't a conventional pick, but could be a very good one. It doesn't seem like any of you have seen much of Devin Thomas. Thomas is considered by a lot of people now to be the top WR in this class. He's nearly 6-3, he has great hands, is dangerous after the catch, he ran a 4.40 40 at the combine, and he's a very good return man. He averaged over 30 yards per return last year. The Steelers had Najah Davenport and Allen Rossum return kicks last year. Rossum is gone, and Davenport is nearly as big as a guard, so the need there is huge. The need for a #3 WR is pretty big too. Add to that Roethlisberger's request for a tall receiver. Thomas isn't Sweed, Hardy, or Kelly in the ht. category, but he is 6-3 and has a better verticle than any of them. Right now Malcolm Kelly has questions about his speed and ability to separate. Sweed has a wrist injury, and wrist injuries can be cronic. I just think it makes good sense to cover 2 needs with one pick. Oh, and he blocks too.

Check out his highlight, I don't think many of you know much about him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHbkz0IMIeA

I live in the heart of Big 10 country....I know all about Devin Thomas....I'm not saying he won't be a good player and yes he would fill two needs....But I think 23 is to high for him......I still want to know on why think the Steelers have done well drafting 3rd and 4th round OL....This decade says other wise...lol

TEEMONT
03-08-2008, 12:20 PM
lol....a WR? wow....

darnik44
03-08-2008, 12:23 PM
I live in the heart of Big 10 country....I know all about Devin Thomas....I'm not saying he won't be a good player and yes he would fill two needs....But I think 23 is to high for him......I still want to know on why think the Steelers have done well drafting 3rd and 4th round OL....This decade says other wise...lol

I suppose my statement about their success drafting 3rd and 4th round O linemen is a bit off. Willie Colon was a 3rd round pick, started in his 2nd year. He was less than impressive at RT, but I feel he can and will be a good guard. Trai Essex was a 3rd round pick and filled in at RT and LT his rookie year and was impressive. I'm not sure what happened to him since then. Marvel Smith was a 2nd round pick.

Now look at the first round picks. Kendall Simmons, hasn't played anywhere near the way they hoped he would. Jamaine Stephens, remember him? The last successful 1st round offensive linemen the Steelers drafted was Leon Searcy in 1992.

DIESELMAN
03-08-2008, 12:24 PM
Barry Sanders was a one year wonder...
BIG difference between Barry and this guy.....

In 1988, in what has been called the greatest season in college football history, Sanders led the nation by averaging 7.6 yards per carry and over 200 yards per game, including rushing for over 300 yards in four games. He set college football season records with 2,628 yards rushing, 3,249 total yards, 234 points, 39 touchdowns, of which 37 were rushing (also a record), 5 consecutive 200 yard games, scored at least 2 touchdowns in 11 consecutive games, and 9 times he scored at least 3 touchdowns. Sanders also ran for 222 yards and scored 5 touchdowns in his three quarters of action in the Holiday Bowl. Guess what else? Barry won the Heisman!!!! Don't even compare Barry's 1 year to this guys stat line. :nono:

Black@Gold Forever32
03-08-2008, 12:41 PM
I suppose my statement about their success drafting 3rd and 4th round O linemen is a bit off. Willie Colon was a 3rd round pick, started in his 2nd year. He was less than impressive at RT, but I feel he can and will be a good guard. Trai Essex was a 3rd round pick and filled in at RT and LT his rookie year and was impressive. I'm not sure what happened to him since then. Marvel Smith was a 2nd round pick.

Now look at the first round picks. Kendall Simmons, hasn't played anywhere near the way they hoped he would. Jamaine Stephens, remember him? The last successful 1st round offensive linemen the Steelers drafted was Leon Searcy in 1992.

Colon was a 4th rounder....You better check yourself.....Colon was drafted in 2006.....Steelers third round picks in 06 were Anthony Smith and Willie Reid....I agree Colon can make the switch to OG....He has to since he stinks as an OT...lol Essex has had limited action since being drafted in 05....He has looked alright when he has played...But he hasn't shown anything as being a full time starter in the NFL....Yes I know Smith was a 2nd rounder....You brought up 3rd and 4th round picks...lol

Yes I remember Jamain Stephens.....The last successful OL taken in the first round by the Steelers in the first round wasn't Leon Searcy....He was very good and he left to join the Dolphins after the 94 season if memory serves me correct...But I guess you forgot about that OG that just left to sign with the Jets......You know Alan Faneca.....I didn't want Alan back due to his age and the money he received...But I think its safe to say his career was a success with the Steelers...lol Really I can't believe you left out Faneca....:lol:

darnik44
03-08-2008, 01:04 PM
Colon was a 4th rounder....You better check yourself.....Colon was drafted in 2006.....Steelers third round picks in 06 were Anthony Smith and Willie Reid....I agree Colon can make the switch to OG....He has to since he stinks as an OT...lol Essex has had limited action since being drafted in 05....He has looked alright when he has played...But he hasn't shown anything as being a full time starter in the NFL....Yes I know Smith was a 2nd rounder....You brought up 3rd and 4th round picks...lol

Yes I remember Jamain Stephens.....The last successful OL taken in the first round by the Steelers in the first round wasn't Leon Searcy....He was very good and he left to join the Dolphins after the 94 season if memory serves me correct...But I guess you forgot about that OG that just left to sign with the Jets......You know Alan Faneca.....I didn't want Alan back due to his age and the money he received...But I think its safe to say his career was a success with the Steelers...lol Really I can't believe you left out Faneca....:lol:

Yeah I did forget about Faneca some how. I'm just trying to pull things from memory, and not research it.

In reference to Barry Sanders, I wasn't trying to compare stat lines. I was only pointing out that "one year wonders" can be successful. I could bring up a lot of other names as well.

Black@Gold Forever32
03-08-2008, 01:10 PM
Yeah I did forget about Faneca some how. I'm just trying to pull things from memory, and not research it.

In reference to Barry Sanders, I wasn't trying to compare stat lines. I was only pointing out that "one year wonders" can be successful. I could bring up a lot of other names as well.

I don't research anything...lol If I actually put the work in.....I know I could be the next draft guru....:lol:

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Yeah I did forget about Faneca some how. I'm just trying to pull things from memory, and not research it.

In reference to Barry Sanders, I wasn't trying to compare stat lines. I was only pointing out that "one year wonders" can be successful. I could bring up a lot of other names as well.


Only issue I have with the Thomas pick is at pick 23....Thats all man....I think its to early for him....Plus OL and DL are bigger needs for this team.....I also like drafting best available instead of drafting for need....I think when you draft for need then you end up reaching at times....Troy Edwards in 99 and even Timmons last year are examples.....

DIESELMAN
03-08-2008, 01:16 PM
In reference to Barry Sanders, I wasn't trying to compare stat lines. I was only pointing out that "one year wonders" can be successful. I could bring up a lot of other names as well.
Yeah but that was my point, Barry wasn't a 1 year wonder, he didn't have a choice but to play behind Thurman Thomas. When he finally got a starting gig, he didn't just put up above average numbers, he put up amazing numbers and set records on top of it. Just a wrong choice as far as 1 year wonders, no harm, no foul. Props to you for posting a mock draft, that takes guts around here :greengrin: