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NOVA STEELERS
02-26-2008, 07:25 AM
by John Czarnecki

INDIANAPOLIS - The scouting combine is the biggest convention of coaches, executives and agents for the NFL. Sure, there are 330 or so potential players here being tested and interviewed ad naseum and I'm sure the ladies are upset that these young men are no longer going topless but mainly this is a talk shop of what may or may not happen in pending free-agency and where potential deals are made on dozens of unwanted players. Enter any restaurant or hotel lobby and you will see club personnel fraternizing with agents and vice versa.

Here is the best of what I heard and was told:

The asking price for Patriots cornerback Asante Samuel is somewhere between $10 and $11 million per season. The Saints are currently the leader to land Samuel, although that could change. Samuel's price got this high because Atlanta's disgruntled DeAngelo Hall is asking for $10 million. The Giants aren't really interested because they won't pay Hall's price, but there is no doubt Atlanta will trade him for a first-round draft choice.

It'll be tough to double-team Randy Moss if he's lining up opposite T.O.
The Patriots and Randy Moss really aren't close to a new contract, although the Pats believe Moss will give them the option to match whatever deal he does receive on the open market. That makes sense because the clubs pursuing Moss will be limited because he wants to play for a contender. The most interesting rumor is Moss joining the Dallas Cowboys. The Cowboys can pay up, and wouldn't T.O. and Moss be interesting to watch, not to mention impossible to defend?

Nobody could figure out why the Bengals placed the franchise tag on guard Stacy Andrews until I heard that five teams had him targeted in free-agency, and that he was the No. 1 prospect of the Falcons. For years, being an offensive lineman has been the best position in the NFL for collecting big paychecks. Guards now are being paid like left tackles consider that the Seahawks have $12 million invested next season in Sean Locklear and Mike Wahle, who played like a stiff in Carolina last season.

Speaking of the Panthers, they gave money to four suspect veterans while dumping some big-name talent. The word is that the Panthers have the most leader-less locker room in the NFL, and that's why they are talking about bringing back Moose Muhammad. Their biggest decision, however, will be whether or not to give Julius "I Don't Love Football" Peppers a $30 million signing bonus in the next year.

The Bucs were thinking about making a run at Bears quarterback Rex Grossman until Chicago re-signed him. DeShaun Foster is begging the Bucs for work at $2 million a season, while Jon Gruden is waiting and hoping that Denver releases WR Javon Walker later this week instead of paying him $6 million. If Walker is free, the Bucs will pursue him before chasing after Minnesota's Troy Williamson.

Some teams are wondering why the Bears didn't place the transition tag on WR Bernard Berrian in order to at least see what kind of contract offers he receives. Sometimes teams cut players loose, figuring the money is going to be too expensive. But there's nothing wrong with protecting your investment a little and matching it. Berrian keeps talking about wanting to play for the 49ers.

There is still a chance that Raiders owner Al Davis will fire head coach Lane Kiffin and replace him with James Lofton, who was fired as the receivers coach of the Chargers. How bizarre is that? It's also no secret that current Oakland assistans Greg Knapp and Tom Rathman will be on Jim Mora's 2009 Seattle coaching staff.

The Jets are prepared to dump a truckload of money on the doorstep of Steelers guard Alan Faneca when free-agency begins. :cursin:

The Browns and quarterback Derek Anderson are very close on a three-year contract for big money. The Browns have been leaking details that they falsely want a six-year deal so that when they announce a three-year contract, it looks like they won the negotiating battle. This coming from a franchise that is paying offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski $2.7 million per season and preparing to give Braylon Edwards $25 million over three seasons. Who knows what Kellen Winslow will do if his contract doesn't get renegotiated?

Nobody believes that Bill Parcells will draft Boston College quarterback Matt Ryan with the first overall selection, but that doesn't mean Ryan won't go in the top five. That scenario seems unanimous among coaches and scouts here, and with the Falcons selecting third overall, they should have a difficult time passing on Ryan. Of course, the two safest picks remain Virginia's Chris Long and Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long, who has wowed everyone with his performance. The only knock on Jake Long is that he may be a better right tackle than a left tackle. Both Longs are high character, no-nonsense young men. Yes, the Dolphins need a quarterback. How about Delaware's Joe Flacco in the second round?

There is no doubt that Jim Zorn is a quarterback guru, but most of his offensive assistants are ex-running backs, and there isn't one of them, including Zorn, who has ever called plays in a NFL game. You can also bet that veteran QB Todd Collins will check out both Miami and Atlanta to gauge those teams' interest in him as a stop-gap starter now that Zorn has pledged his allegiance to Jason Campbell.

Speaking of the Redskins, you have to wonder if owner Daniel Snyder would have made a run at Seattle's Mike Holmgren if he knew that Holmgren could have gotten free of his contract. And we all know that GM Tim Ruskell would have allowed Holmgren to leave in order to promote Mora now instead of waiting another season. It also sounds like Holmgren will be coaching somewhere next season, or at least hoping to land a job like the one Parcells has in Miami.

The Giants will definitely give Michael Strahan a new contract if he wants to play next season. The decision is all his. "Now that he has a ring, he could be leaning more toward retirement," said Giants GM Jerry Reese. "But we definitely want him back if he wants to play."

No one really knows where Spygate is headed now and whether there is actual video evidence implicating the Patriots in taping opposing team's practices, etc. But if there is and Roger Goodell is forced to suspend Bill Belichick, Dom Capers could end up as interim head coach in New England.

Some interesting stuff, see how it all plays out :redcool:

JoeThomas
02-26-2008, 09:59 AM
by John Czarnecki

INDIANAPOLIS - The scouting combine is the biggest convention of coaches, executives and agents for the NFL. Sure, there are 330 or so potential players here being tested and interviewed ad naseum and I'm sure the ladies are upset that these young men are no longer going topless but mainly this is a talk shop of what may or may not happen in pending free-agency and where potential deals are made on dozens of unwanted players. Enter any restaurant or hotel lobby and you will see club personnel fraternizing with agents and vice versa.

Here is the best of what I heard and was told:

The asking price for Patriots cornerback Asante Samuel is somewhere between $10 and $11 million per season. The Saints are currently the leader to land Samuel, although that could change. Samuel's price got this high because Atlanta's disgruntled DeAngelo Hall is asking for $10 million. The Giants aren't really interested because they won't pay Hall's price, but there is no doubt Atlanta will trade him for a first-round draft choice.

It'll be tough to double-team Randy Moss if he's lining up opposite T.O.
The Patriots and Randy Moss really aren't close to a new contract, although the Pats believe Moss will give them the option to match whatever deal he does receive on the open market. That makes sense because the clubs pursuing Moss will be limited because he wants to play for a contender. The most interesting rumor is Moss joining the Dallas Cowboys. The Cowboys can pay up, and wouldn't T.O. and Moss be interesting to watch, not to mention impossible to defend?

Nobody could figure out why the Bengals placed the franchise tag on guard Stacy Andrews until I heard that five teams had him targeted in free-agency, and that he was the No. 1 prospect of the Falcons. For years, being an offensive lineman has been the best position in the NFL for collecting big paychecks. Guards now are being paid like left tackles consider that the Seahawks have $12 million invested next season in Sean Locklear and Mike Wahle, who played like a stiff in Carolina last season.

Speaking of the Panthers, they gave money to four suspect veterans while dumping some big-name talent. The word is that the Panthers have the most leader-less locker room in the NFL, and that's why they are talking about bringing back Moose Muhammad. Their biggest decision, however, will be whether or not to give Julius "I Don't Love Football" Peppers a $30 million signing bonus in the next year.

The Bucs were thinking about making a run at Bears quarterback Rex Grossman until Chicago re-signed him. DeShaun Foster is begging the Bucs for work at $2 million a season, while Jon Gruden is waiting and hoping that Denver releases WR Javon Walker later this week instead of paying him $6 million. If Walker is free, the Bucs will pursue him before chasing after Minnesota's Troy Williamson.

Some teams are wondering why the Bears didn't place the transition tag on WR Bernard Berrian in order to at least see what kind of contract offers he receives. Sometimes teams cut players loose, figuring the money is going to be too expensive. But there's nothing wrong with protecting your investment a little and matching it. Berrian keeps talking about wanting to play for the 49ers.

There is still a chance that Raiders owner Al Davis will fire head coach Lane Kiffin and replace him with James Lofton, who was fired as the receivers coach of the Chargers. How bizarre is that? It's also no secret that current Oakland assistans Greg Knapp and Tom Rathman will be on Jim Mora's 2009 Seattle coaching staff.

The Jets are prepared to dump a truckload of money on the doorstep of Steelers guard Alan Faneca when free-agency begins. :cursin:

The Browns and quarterback Derek Anderson are very close on a three-year contract for big money. The Browns have been leaking details that they falsely want a six-year deal so that when they announce a three-year contract, it looks like they won the negotiating battle. This coming from a franchise that is paying offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski $2.7 million per season and preparing to give Braylon Edwards $25 million over three seasons. Who knows what Kellen Winslow will do if his contract doesn't get renegotiated?

Nobody believes that Bill Parcells will draft Boston College quarterback Matt Ryan with the first overall selection, but that doesn't mean Ryan won't go in the top five. That scenario seems unanimous among coaches and scouts here, and with the Falcons selecting third overall, they should have a difficult time passing on Ryan. Of course, the two safest picks remain Virginia's Chris Long and Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long, who has wowed everyone with his performance. The only knock on Jake Long is that he may be a better right tackle than a left tackle. Both Longs are high character, no-nonsense young men. Yes, the Dolphins need a quarterback. How about Delaware's Joe Flacco in the second round?

There is no doubt that Jim Zorn is a quarterback guru, but most of his offensive assistants are ex-running backs, and there isn't one of them, including Zorn, who has ever called plays in a NFL game. You can also bet that veteran QB Todd Collins will check out both Miami and Atlanta to gauge those teams' interest in him as a stop-gap starter now that Zorn has pledged his allegiance to Jason Campbell.

Speaking of the Redskins, you have to wonder if owner Daniel Snyder would have made a run at Seattle's Mike Holmgren if he knew that Holmgren could have gotten free of his contract. And we all know that GM Tim Ruskell would have allowed Holmgren to leave in order to promote Mora now instead of waiting another season. It also sounds like Holmgren will be coaching somewhere next season, or at least hoping to land a job like the one Parcells has in Miami.

The Giants will definitely give Michael Strahan a new contract if he wants to play next season. The decision is all his. "Now that he has a ring, he could be leaning more toward retirement," said Giants GM Jerry Reese. "But we definitely want him back if he wants to play."

No one really knows where Spygate is headed now and whether there is actual video evidence implicating the Patriots in taping opposing team's practices, etc. But if there is and Roger Goodell is forced to suspend Bill Belichick, Dom Capers could end up as interim head coach in New England.

Some interesting stuff, see how it all plays out :redcool:

it just sounds like were willing to pay players and spend money. thats why faneca is leaving. he deserves to be paid like one of the best, and someone will.

TEEMONT
02-26-2008, 10:08 AM
it just sounds like were willing to pay players and spend money. thats why faneca is leaving. he deserves to be paid like one of the best, and someone will.

Being willing to pay players, and being smart about it are two different things. Anderson is going to get top QB money, when in fact, he isn't a top QB. The Browns are going to be paying for two "starting" QB's over the next few years, then lose both of them in FA.

JoeThomas
02-26-2008, 10:10 AM
Being willing to pay players, and being smart about it are two different things. Anderson is going to get top QB money, when in fact, he isn't a top QB. The Browns are going to be paying for two "starting" QB's over the next few years, then lose both of them in FA.

faneca can still play. sometimes you have to overpay to keep your team intact. its not like he is not a probowl caliber guy. they wont pay anderson romo/schaub money. but he will get starter money. if he is as good as they think he will get traded, if he stinks, well good thing nfl contracts arent guaranteed, haha.

TEEMONT
02-26-2008, 10:14 AM
faneca can still play. sometimes you have to overpay to keep your team intact. its not like he is not a probowl caliber guy. they wont pay anderson romo/schaub money. but he will get starter money. if he is as good as they think he will get traded, if he stinks, well good thing nfl contracts arent guaranteed, haha.

I am the #1 Faneca fan on this site, and I don't think he is worth the money he wants, for the years he wants. Faneca has maybe 2 years left, is that worth a 4-5 year deal? No way. The Steelers are usually smart about the money they pay. Don't get a big head b/c the Browns finally had a winning record, the bungles did a few year ago too, they paid out money to some great players, and look what happened there. Andersen would still count against the cap the year he was cut, or traded. You take a cap hit for both of those, I'm pretty sure.

I can't knock what the Steelers do, b/c they always are competitive. You can't say the same for the rest of the AFCN.

JoeThomas
02-26-2008, 10:17 AM
I am the #1 Faneca fan on this site, and I don't think he is worth the money he wants, for the years he wants. Faneca has maybe 2 years left, is that worth a 4-5 year deal? No way. The Steelers are usually smart about the money they pay. Don't get a big head b/c the Browns finally had a winning record, the bungles did a few year ago too, they paid out money to some great players, and look what happened there. Andersen would still count against the cap the year he was cut, or traded. You take a cap hit for both of those, I'm pretty sure.

I can't knock what the Steelers do, b/c they always are competitive. You can't say the same for the rest of the AFCN.

you just have to get creative with how you sign people. im excited about the browns cause they were 3 points from us winning the division and the steelers missing the playoffs. but we didnt. im just surprised they didnt at least make a competitive offer. but if faneca stinks and falls off then cut him. ya it counts against the cap but thats why most deals like that are front loaded, so he gets paid the first years rather then then end.

K Train
02-26-2008, 11:00 AM
remember when the jets were all over kimos nuts? that worked out well

Brady Quinn
02-26-2008, 11:49 AM
I think the browns will find a way to pay anderson and trade him after one more year. They have to give Brady some playing time this year. He will be our QB when this is done and someone will want DA

JoeThomas
02-26-2008, 06:49 PM
I think the browns will find a way to pay anderson and trade him after one more year. They have to give Brady some playing time this year. He will be our QB when this is done and someone will want DA

i think thats it exactly. unless your the patriots, a first round pick means something and to give up one and let quinn sit forever wont happen. anderson gets 1 more year. that is unless someone wants to give us a 1st rounder, not likely though.

K Train
02-26-2008, 07:23 PM
its gonna go down like brees/rivers...only the browns will keep quinn whos the better QB when the chargers shouldve kept brees

steelcityrockers
02-26-2008, 08:45 PM
remember when the jets were all over kimos nuts? that worked out well

He is an UFA if you want him back. 8 games 2 tackles for the Eagles this year for like 3.5 mil

V_83
02-26-2008, 08:54 PM
its gonna go down like brees/rivers...only the browns will keep quinn whos the better QB when the chargers shouldve kept brees

That's a great analogy. That's how I see it happening too. Anderson is just nowhere near consistent enough to keep a starting QB job. And even though we have yet to see Brady play a starting role, his awesome college career will give him the edge. :2cents:

JoeThomas
02-26-2008, 09:37 PM
its gonna go down like brees/rivers...only the browns will keep quinn whos the better QB when the chargers shouldve kept brees

i agree completely. but the chargers didnt do too bad, rivers can play. i like DA but i want Quinn as our QB after this comign season.

V_83
02-27-2008, 09:26 AM
i agree completely. but the chargers didnt do too bad, rivers can play. i like DA but i want Quinn as our QB after this comign season.

It may be just me, but I have never really liked rivers. The only reason I think he wins is because of his surrounding cast like LT, and Gates. Plus all the smack talking he did this year, especially during the Broncos game, gives me more of a reason to dislike him.