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BlackGold4vr
01-15-2008, 11:30 AM
Pos Overall
Rank Rating Name Yr Ht/Wt/40 College Home

RB 1 Darren McFadden JR 6-2/210/4.45 Arkansas North Little Rock, AR
DE 2 Chris Long SR 6-3.5/278/4.75 Virginia Charlottesville, VA
DT 3 Glenn Dorsey SR 6-1.5/313/- LSU Gonzales, LA
DT 4 Sedrick Ellis SR 6-1/307/4.95 USC Chino, CA
OT 5 Jake Long SR 6-7/335/- Michigan Lapeer, MI
DE 6 Calais Campbell JR 6-7/280/4.75 Miami (FL) Denver, CO
CB 7 Mike Jenkins SR 5-11/200/4.45 South Florida Bradenton, FL
S 8 Kenny Phillips JR 6-2/210/4.50 Miami (FL) Miami, FL
OLB 9 Dan Connor SR 6-3/230/- Penn State Wallingford, PA
WR 10 Earl Bennett JR 6-1/202/- Vanderbilt Birmingham, AL
RB 11 Jonathan Stewart JR 5-11/230/- Oregon Olympia, WA
WR 12 James Hardy JR 6-5.5/220/4.50 Indiana Fort Wayne, IN
QB 13 Matt Ryan SR 6-5/224/4.90 Boston College Philadelphia, PA
WR 14 Malcolm Kelly JR 6-4/215/4.50 Oklahoma Longview, TX
DE 15 Quentin Groves SR 6-3/252/4.43 Auburn Greenville, MS
CB 16 Aqib Talib JR 6-1/195/4.50 Kansas Richardson, TX
OT 17 Chris Williams SR 6-6/317/5.30 Vanderbilt Baton Rouge, LA
RB 18 Jamaal Charles JR 6-1/205/4.45 Texas Port Arthur, TX
WR 19 Early Doucet SR 6-0/213/4.53 LSU Saint Martinville, LA
DE 20 Vernon Gholston JR 6-3/260/4.75 Ohio State Detroit, MI
TE 21 Fred Davis SR 6-3.5/251/4.75 USC Toledo, OH
QB 22 Joe Flacco SR 6-6/237/5.00 Delaware Audubon, NJ
CB 23 Leodis McKelvin SR 5-10.5/186/4.48 Troy Waycross, GA
OT 24 Ryan Clady JR 6-6/320/- Boise State Rialto, CA
OT 25 Jeff Otah SR 6-6.5/341/- Pittsburgh Wayne, PA
RB 26 Rashard Mendenhall JR 5-10.5/215/4.55 Illinois Skokie, IL
WR 27 Adarius Bowman SR 6-3/220/4.55 Oklahoma State Chattanooga, TN
DT 28 Kentwan Balmer SR 6-4/295/5.15 North Carolina Weldon, NC
QB 29 Brian Brohm SR 6-3/227/4.82 Louisville Louisville, KY
CB 30 Terrell Thomas SR 6-1/200/4.50 USC Rancho Cucamonga, CA
DE 31 Chris Ellis SR 6-4/257/4.70 Virginia Tech Hampton, VA
OG 32 Oniel Cousins SR 6-4/302/5.04 UTEP Fullerton, CA
WR 33 Donnie Avery SR 5-10/184/4.33 Houston Alief, TX
DE 34 Derrick Harvey JR 6-4/260/4.75 Florida Greenbelt, MD
MLB 35 Beau Bell SR 6-2/253/4.63 UNLV
TE 36 Martellus Bennett JR 6-6/250/4.75 Texas A&M Houston, TX
QB 37 Andre Woodson SR 6-4/224/4.83 Kentucky Radcliff, KY
CB 38 Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie SR 6-1.5/183/4.47 Tennessee State Bradenton, FL
WR 39 Harry Douglas SR 5-11/173/4.37 Louisville Jonesboro, GA
DE 40 Lawrence Jackson SR 6-5/270/4.90 USC Inglewood, CA
RB 41 Steve Slaton JR 5-10/200/4.50 West Virginia Fairless Hills, PA
OLB 42 Xavier Adibi SR 6-1.5/223/4.53 Virginia Tech Hampton, VA
OT 43 Carl Nicks SR 6-5/335/5.30 Nebraska Salinas, CA
WR 44 Devin Thomas JR 6-2/215/4.50 Michigan State
DT 45 Pat Sims JR 6-4/315/5.00 Auburn Fort Lauderdale, FL
OT 46 Anthony Collins JR 6-6/315/5.20 Kansas Beaumont, TX
WR 47 Limas Sweed SR 6-5/220/4.50 Texas Brenham, TX
QB 48 Chad Henne SR 6-3/245/5.00 Michigan West Lawn, PA
WR 49 Andre Caldwell SR 6-0/203/4.55 Florida Tampa, FL
TE 50 Martin Rucker SR 6-4.5/249/4.71 Missouri St Joseph, MO
DT 51 Dre Moore SR 6-3.5/308/- Maryland Charlotte, NC
RB 52 James Davis JR 5-10/205/4.50 Clemson Atlanta, GA
OT 53 Gosder Cherilus SR 6-6.5/313/5.14 Boston College Somerville, MA
CB 54 Tracy Porter SR 5-10/183/4.39 Indiana Port Allen, LA
RB 55 Chris Johnson SR 5-10/201/4.29 East Carolina Orlando, FL
DE 56 Phillip Merling JR 6-5/270/4.80 Clemson Cordova, TN
OG 57 Branden Albert JR 6-6.5/320/- Virginia Glen Burnie, MD
CB 58 Jack Ikegwuonu JR 6-0/200/4.45 Wisconsin Madison, WI
OT 59 Sam Baker SR 6-5/314/5.10 USC Tustin, CA
OLB 60 Tavares Gooden SR 6-2/235/4.55 Miami (FL) Fort Lauderdale, FL
CB 61 Antoine Cason SR 6-0/191/4.60 Arizona Los Alamitos, CA
OG 62 Robert Felton SR 6-3/325/5.35 Arkansas Houston, TX
DE 63 Darrell Robertson SR 6-4/245/4.75 Georgia Tech Jonesboro, GA
CB 64 Terrence Wheatley SR 5-9/177/4.46 Colorado Plano, TX
C 65 Steven Justice SR 6-3/288/5.14 Wake Forest New Smyrna Beach, FL
DT 66 Joseph Bryant SR 6-4.5/330/5.25 Texas A&M Jasper, TX
CB 67 DeJuan Tribble SR 5-9/192/4.47 Boston College Cincinnati, OH
OG 68 Eric Young SR 6-3/310/5.25 Tennessee Union, SC
CB 69 Justin King JR 5-11/185/4.45 Penn State Monroeville, PA
CB 70 Simeon Castille SR 6-0/192/4.66 Alabama Birmingham, AL
OLB 71 Ali Highsmith SR 6-0/227/4.62 LSU Miami, FL
DT 72 Frank Okam SR 6-4/325/5.35 Texas Dallas, TX
WR 73 Dorien Bryant SR 5-10/174/- Purdue Fork Union, VA
S 74 Jonathan Hefney SR 5-9/190/4.50 Tennessee Chatham, VA
OLB 75 Shawn Crable SR 6-5/243/4.60 Michigan Massillon, OH
QB 76 Colt Brennan SR 6-3/200/4.75 Hawaii Santa Ana, CA
WR 77 D.J. Hall SR 6-2/198/4.48 Alabama Fort Walton Beach, FL
S 78 Quintin Demps SR 5-11/204/4.60 UTEP San Antonio, TX
RB 79 Kevin Smith JR 6-0/215/4.60 Central Florida Miami, FL
DE 80 Cliff Avril SR 6-3/255/- Purdue Green Cove Springs, FL
CB 81 Brandon Flowers JR 5-10/190/4.50 Virginia Tech Chatham, VA
S 82 Craig Steltz SR 6-1/213/4.64 LSU Metairie, LA
TE 83 Dustin Keller SR 6-2/251/4.70 Purdue Lafayette, IN
OG 84 Drew Radovich SR 6-5/304/5.20 USC Mission Viejo, CA
RB 85 Raymell Rice JR 5-9/195/4.55 Rutgers New Rochelle, NY
OG 86 Heath Benedict SR 6-5.5/334/4.99 Newberry Hightstown, NJ
OT 87 Tony Hills SR 6-6/305/5.20 Texas Houston, TX
DT 88 Andre Fluellen SR 6-2/279/5.00 Florida State Cartersville, GA
RB 89 Dantrell Savage SR 5-9/195/4.45 Oklahoma State Columbus, GA
OT 90 Chad Rinehart SR 6-5/314/5.26 Northern Iowa
WR 91 Davone Bess JR 5-10/195/4.60 Hawaii Oakland, CA
S 92 Marcus Griffin SR 5-11/205/4.65 Texas Austin, TX
TE 93 Brad Cottam SR 6-8/275/4.70 Tennessee Cordova, TN
QB 94 Erik Ainge SR 6-5.5/225/5.00 Tennessee Hillsboro, OR
OLB 95 Geno Hayes JR 6-1.5/225/4.70 Florida State Madison, FL
OG 96 Chilo Rachal JR 6-4.5/315/5.25 USC Compton, CA
RB 97 Mike Hart SR 5-9/200/4.65 Michigan Nedrow, NY
CB 98 Chevis Jackson SR 6-0/191/4.62 LSU Mobile, AL
WR 99 Eddie Royal SR 5-10/181/4.39 Virginia Tech Chantilly, VA
TE 100 John Carlson SR 6-5/259/4.70 Notre Dame Litchfield, MN



These rankings will probably change a few times between now and draft day. After the combine things are usually reshuffled.

There are not a lot of OG's or Centers in this years draft. It is a deeper field this year for OT's which may serve our needs well. I don't know what the answer is at Center for us but it is not Sean Mahan. If he starts for us next year look for more offensive struggles. Perhaps move Simmons over to C, Colon over to RG and Starks back to RT. Either way we still need depth at OT and C. I believe if we fix the O-line the RB's we have can be great. Also need more depth at DE. When Smith went down so did our stout run defense. At LB I think Woodley starting next year will be a huge upgrade over Haggans and will significantly help our pass rush! I haven't seen enough plays made by Timmons to believe he might be an upgrade over either ILB. We also need a reliable kick and punt returner. Willie Reid is NOT the answer and Rossum is average at best. :scratch:

Your thoughts?

K Train
01-15-2008, 11:58 AM
Mike Jenkins is soooo overrated its not funny

DIESELMAN
01-15-2008, 12:16 PM
I'm waiting to see what the FO does with Faneca and Starks. We can all speculate as to what we do, we all have our opinions as to what we want to see. We could try and keep Faneca and move him to C, but will he want to take lesser money or try and go out and get big money as a G. The other thing is how healthy will Smith be next year and will his back always be an issue, if so we need to keep Starks, hes at least serviceable for the time being. What we do before the draft as far as our signings, whether we dip into FA will determine what we do in the draft. Just remember we drafted a TE in the 3rd round last year, who seen that happening?

BlackGold4vr
01-15-2008, 12:34 PM
I agree that what the FO does with Faneca and Starks will ultimately determine what we do in the draft on day 1.

I also believe that we must also bring our problem at center to the forefront. We cannot afford to let Sean Mahan (turnstile) play another year at center. You cannot successfully run an offense that consistently collapses up the middle on pass plays and gets no push on run plays! :banging:

DIESELMAN
01-15-2008, 12:54 PM
I agree that what the FO does with Faneca and Starks will ultimately determine what we do in the draft on day 1.

I also believe that we must also bring our problem at center to the forefront. We cannot afford to let Sean Mahan (turnstile) play another year at center. You cannot successfully run an offense that consistently collapses up the middle on pass plays and gets no push on run plays! :banging:
We all definitely agree that Mahan was absolutely worthless. Whats up with Stapleton as C? If he can gain some weight and get over 300 lbs, he can hold the point of attack better then Mahan could ever dream of doing.

steelcityrockers
01-15-2008, 03:37 PM
Mike Jenkins is soooo overrated its not funny



Agreed. Antoine Cason is very underrated.

BlackGold4vr
01-15-2008, 05:11 PM
Going on the assumptions that our first 3 picks will be in the neighborhood of 23rd, 54th, and 85th. Here are my first 3 picks for the upcoming draft.

1. Chris Williams, OT, 6-6, 320, Vanderbilt (with the 23rd overall pick)

The best offensive lineman nobody has ever heard of, Williams allowed one sack during the entire 2006 season, which occurred in the first game of the year against Michigan. Williams didn't allow another sack in the next 11 games. He has played well so far this season and if he continues to progress, he will be mentioned among the elite linemen in this class.


The reason for this pick is obvious. We need youth and depth on the O-line and Williams is one of the best out there. The only question is how far into the first round he will last?

2. Philip Merling, DE, 6-5, 280, Clemson (with the 54th overall pick)

One player that has intriguing ability and is still developing is Clemson junior defensive end Phillip Merling. At 6-foot-5, 280-pounds, Merling is a tremendous run defender who makes plays in the backfield. He's quick off the snap, plays with leverage, and alters the opposition's offensive direction. He uses his hands effectively and has good range in pursuit. He has great balance, rarely gets knocked off his feet, and is fast off the edge. He's a durable defender who has started every game the last two seasons. Playing in all 12 games this season, Merling recorded 73 tackles (50 solo, 23 assisted), 16 for a loss and 6.5 sacks. If Merling declares for the draft, he'll receive Day One consideration and is a probable second-round selection.


This guy is a stud who can give us some much needed depth at DE. Even if he can't supplant Kiesel in his first year he might be able to spell both ends throughout the game to keep everyone fresh.

3. Cliff Avril, DE (LB), 6-3, 255, Purdue (with the 85th overall pick)

Avril is an instinctive, but undersized defensive end that plays with leverage. He's quick off the snap and makes a lot of plays in the backfield. He has quick feet and hands and is able to fight off blocks against bigger opponents. He finished the regular season with 14.5 tackles for a loss and six sacks.


This was Anthony Spencers understudy. You can never have too many great linebackers and while Cliff waits for a crack at the starting line-up he could be a wedgebuster on special teams coverage. With Haggans on his way out and Woodley set to fill the vacancy there, Timmons nipping at Potsies heels after that we are thin at LB.

:yellowthumb:

K Train
01-15-2008, 05:18 PM
Chris williams is a pass blocking machine, and when your a pass bloacking machine in the SEC your a hell of a player

BlackGold4vr
01-15-2008, 05:24 PM
Chris williams is a pass blocking machine, and when your a pass bloacking machine in the SEC your a hell of a player


I like all that I am reading about him and the fact that they say he is one of the best that nobody has heard of is a plus for our chances at possibly landing him. Remembering that O-lineman are some of the least glamorous picks in the first round as well. Lots of teams go after those skilled position players [RB - WR - TE - QB - CB - S].

Black@Gold Forever32
01-15-2008, 06:02 PM
I have heard of Chris Williams and I wouldn't mind him being drafted at all....He is on my list of OTs.......I think the Steelers have the best shot of getting Oher or Williams....I wouldn't mind either one really....A center has to be drafted....It doesn't matter what round or who it is....Anybody would be an upgrade over Mahan...lol

K Train
01-15-2008, 06:36 PM
Mississippi offensive tackle Michael Oher will skip his senior season and enter the 2008 NFL draft.

The all-Southeastern Conference player made the announcement in a statement issued by Ole Miss.


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"I just felt it was time for me to move on and pursue options to do new things," Oher said. "Attending Ole Miss was a positive experience for me, and I had a good time."

Oher started 34 straight games for the Rebels in three years, leading the way for two consecutive 1,000-yard seasons by tailback BenJarvus Green-Ellis.

The 6-foot-5, 325-pound Memphis, Tenn., native was the subject of Michael Lewis' book, "The Blind Side." The best-seller chronicled Oher's rise from homeless teenager to one of the most coveted recruits in the nation.

K20Steeler
01-15-2008, 08:39 PM
So, how is Jenkins overrated?

BlitzburghRockCity
01-20-2008, 10:53 PM
This draft is so deep at offensive line this year that we have absolutely no excuse for not taking advantage of it. This is the year of the line on this team, both sides of the ball. We can set ourselves up for years to come with a good, solid draft this year.

I like where you are going with addressing the OL and DL early on in this draft, assuming both Faneca and Starks don't return I don't think we have much choice but to do so. If that is indeed the case I'd trade your 3rd round pick for a Guard like Chilo Rachal or Drew Radovich depending on how much of a run there are at Guards in the 2nd round. Most of the Centers available should be there in round 3 so we could get a real good one if we played our cards right.

buccaneers#1fan
01-20-2008, 11:30 PM
yeah we know sean mahan sucks thats why the bucs got rid of him lol. and i think this list is off because kevin smith from ucf is the real deal. he plays like barry sanders. and came close to this guys record this year i think he is the second best rb in the draft. and i hope he goes late cause tampa could get him in 2nd or 3rd round.

Black@Gold Forever32
01-21-2008, 12:16 AM
yeah we know sean mahan sucks thats why the bucs got rid of him lol. and i think this list is off because kevin smith from ucf is the real deal. he plays like barry sanders. and came close to this guys record this year i think he is the second best rb in the draft. and i hope he goes late cause tampa could get him in 2nd or 3rd round.

Sean Mahan needs to be shot period.....:lol: Or beaten to death with a hammer......:yesnod:

This is a deep RB draft so Smith should be there after round 1 or even maybe round 2 so the Bucs have a shot to get him outside of round 1 at least.....

BlackGold4vr
01-21-2008, 01:12 AM
This draft is so deep at offensive line this year that we have absolutely no excuse for not taking advantage of it. This is the year of the line on this team, both sides of the ball. We can set ourselves up for years to come with a good, solid draft this year.

I like where you are going with addressing the OL and DL early on in this draft, assuming both Faneca and Starks don't return I don't think we have much choice but to do so. If that is indeed the case I'd trade your 3rd round pick for a Guard like Chilo Rachal or Drew Radovich depending on how much of a run there are at Guards in the 2nd round. Most of the Centers available should be there in round 3 so we could get a real good one if we played our cards right.


This draft is deep at OT only and really thin at G and C. I would like to see Darnell Stapleton put on some weight and give that position a run. We have an ample amount of guards on the roster already. Colon is still better suited for guard, Simmons, Keamuatu, Mahan and Essex as well. I still like all 3 picks. Williams impresses me and Ben really needs a great LT. I like Merling a lot too. We desperately need some depth on the D-line. My reasoning for the Cliff Avril pick is that after Woodley and Timmons crack the starting line-up there is nothing behind them. I am NOT a huge Arnold Harrison fan. Avril is a bad-*** dude and we also need help on special teams. Avril and Merling are both playmakers who play with leverage and make plays in the backfield.

BlitzburghRockCity
01-21-2008, 01:16 PM
This draft is deep at OT only and really thin at G and C. I would like to see Darnell Stapleton put on some weight and give that position a run. We have an ample amount of guards on the roster already. Colon is still better suited for guard, Simmons, Keamuatu, Mahan and Essex as well. I still like all 3 picks. Williams impresses me and Ben really needs a great LT. I like Merling a lot too. We desperately need some depth on the D-line. My reasoning for the Cliff Avril pick is that after Woodley and Timmons crack the starting line-up there is nothing behind them. I am NOT a huge Arnold Harrison fan. Avril is a bad-*** dude and we also need help on special teams. Avril and Merling are both playmakers who play with leverage and make plays in the backfield.


Colon may be better suited at Guard, I have no problems with him being moved there and having an open competition between all the possible Guards on the team. Taking a T and a Center on Day 1 is paramount IMO regardless of who comes back between Starks and Faneca. If you take a franchise LT in the draft and let him fight it out between Marvel, Max, Essex and Colon then you give yourself a great shot at finding top notch bookend tackles for years to come. If Colon does move to guard and Starks leave then we are looking at needing atleast 2 Tackles in the draft or 1 via draft and 1 in FA. This will clear up more once we see who is staying on the OL, if any of them.

I just think at this point playing musical lineman to try and find a center on this team is ridiculous. The Center is the anchor of the team and you just can't skimp on that position. Get the center this year in the draft and then work your way around from there.

As far as depth at DL and LB, you're absolutely right we will need that, the problem is that we have so many needs that you won't be able to fix them all in just 1 offseason unless you get some FA's.

BlackGold4vr
01-21-2008, 03:44 PM
I just think at this point playing musical lineman to try and find a center on this team is ridiculous. The Center is the anchor of the team and you just can't skimp on that position. Get the center this year in the draft and then work your way around from there.


Just because you want a great center doesn't mean that there is one available in the draft. Looking at the grades that scout.com is giving the available centers this year none of them will even be day one picks. Steven Justice, C from Wake Forest is the only center even being graded out with 4 stars and he is being projected as the 71st prospect. Thats a 3rd rounder. No other center even breaks into the top 100 prospect list. Day 2 draft picks on the O-line have not really been very good to us in decades. We need a center and that is indisputable. Its not a good year for centers and that means that we need to look for alternatives to fix our need there. Grab one in free agency (which didn't work out too well for us last year) or work with what we have. Meaning get Darnell Stapleton ready for the job or prepping another one of our current guys to compete for the position in the spring. Thats just dealing with reality. You can't wish the next Mike Webster......Dermotti Dawson into existence.



As far as depth at DL and LB, you're absolutely right we will need that, the problem is that we have so many needs that you won't be able to fix them all in just 1 offseason unless you get some FA's.


Responding to that statement I would argue that we need to look at priorities as far as what needs fixed first, second etc.

I think the first priority should be the O-line. How many of this years O-line draft picks do you expect to break into the starting line-up? Lets say we lose Faneca and Starks and we don't want Mahan to occupy a starters job next year. That realistically only opens up 2 spots as Starks wasn't starting anyway. Draft Williams the guy from Vanderbilt who is being billed as one of the best LT's out there. He is our new starting LT. Move Marvell Smith over to RT and Willie Colon to LG. We need Darnell Stapleton to step into the starting center job. From what I read about him last year is that he had good techniques and skills but lacked the size to take on dominant DT's or NT's. He has had a year to hit the weights and eat like a horse. This would be the new look O-line:

C. Williams(R), W. Colon (2), D. Stapleton(1), K. Simmons(6), M.Smith(8)

That would leave Essex(T or G), Keamuatu(G), Mahan(G or C) and Capizzi(T) as viable back-ups not counting anyone else picked up on day 2 in the draft.

The second priority in my opinion is adding depth to the front seven on our defense. Losing Aaron Smith last year really hurt us and it was obvious that the substitutes did NOT get the job done. Adding a great DE is paramount. Kiesel did not live up to the beast billing that we had all hoped that he would. Smith will be coming off of a serious injury and who knows how that may affect his abilities in the future. Woodley taking Haggans spot next year instantly gives our pass rush more credibility with Harrison on the other side. Bookend bad-asses. Timmons needs to get into our starting line-up IMO. Not sure whose job he should take (Farrior's or Foote's) but last years first pick needs to start giving us 1st rounder plays. Show us why you are worthy and that the pick wasn't a mistake! I would like another stud linebacker here because once Woodley and Timmons make the starting line-up everything behind them is training camp fodder. Only other consideration that I would make is if there was another O-line stud available. But that prospect would have to be a guy who I felt could compete for a starting job. Otherwise I would look back to the defense to add depth to the linebacking corps.

The signature to the Steelers team has always been tough defense that played a punishing hard hitting brand of football. We didn't see that the last quarter of the season this year. Offenses were starting to oppose their will on our defense and running right into what was supposed to be our strength.....stout run defense. We got to get our identity back! That is why I believe OL - DL - LB will help address that identity problem. It hurt me to see our O-line struggle, but it killed me to see our defense getting the ball run down its throat! :2cents:

BlitzburghRockCity
01-21-2008, 04:54 PM
Just because you want a great center doesn't mean that there is one available in the draft. Looking at the grades that scout.com is giving the available centers this year none of them will even be day one picks. Steven Justice, C from Wake Forest is the only center even being graded out with 4 stars and he is being projected as the 71st prospect. Thats a 3rd rounder. No other center even breaks into the top 100 prospect list. Day 2 draft picks on the O-line have not really been very good to us in decades. We need a center and that is indisputable. Its not a good year for centers and that means that we need to look for alternatives to fix our need there. Grab one in free agency (which didn't work out too well for us last year) or work with what we have. Meaning get Darnell Stapleton ready for the job or prepping another one of our current guys to compete for the position in the spring. Thats just dealing with reality. You can't wish the next Mike Webster......Dermotti Dawson into existence.

If Stapleton is the answer, Im all for that. Atleast somebody on the current roster of lineman could step up and be counted on. I don't know if he is but he's certainly an option in the mix to fight it out. If Justice is available in the 3rd round then I say why not use it on him? He could be a solid center in the NFL if he's given the opportunity for it. Let him and Stapleton fight it out and see who wants it more. Justice has a lot of experience and is pretty highly rated according to the stat review I was looking at. The top FA centers is a list that is solid but certainly not great so FA has slim pickings too.

Jeremy Newberry (U) San Francisco
Robbie Tobeck (U) Seattle
Seth McKinney (U) Miami

At this point I wouldn't be opposed to bringing in a player like Speiker; or Justice in the 3rd round if he lasted that long but if we didn't then I would hope atleast that Stapleton is given the chance to compete for the job. All I know is that Center is the key to any offensive line. I know that we aren't going to find the next Dawson or Webster this year, that's a pipe dream but at the same time something has to be done and you can't just play musical lineman trying to find somebody. Mahan was given his shot and he sux. Kendall played some at Center but they knew they didnt have anyone else viable to play Guard so they left him there.




I think the first priority should be the O-line. How many of this years O-line draft picks do you expect to break into the starting line-up? Lets say we lose Faneca and Starks and we don't want Mahan to occupy a starters job next year. That realistically only opens up 2 spots as Starks wasn't starting anyway. Draft Williams the guy from Vanderbilt who is being billed as one of the best LT's out there. He is our new starting LT. Move Marvell Smith over to RT and Willie Colon to LG. We need Darnell Stapleton to step into the starting center job. From what I read about him last year is that he had good techniques and skills but lacked the size to take on dominant DT's or NT's. He has had a year to hit the weights and eat like a horse. This would be the new look O-line:

C. Williams(R), W. Colon (2), D. Stapleton(1), K. Simmons(6), M.Smith(8)

That would leave Essex(T or G), Keamuatu(G), Mahan(G or C) and Capizzi(T) as viable back-ups not counting anyone else picked up on day 2 in the draft.

I have no problems with this at all. Tackle is certainly a huge need and the OL should be prioritized at number 1 in this draft. I've been saying we should go Tackle in the first round depending on who things shake out in FA for us before then. 2nd priority being DL and 3rd being LB & WR depth. If Darnell can step up and take the job then Im all for it. You don't have to be huge at Center but you do need to have leverage and the ability to hold your ground.


The second priority in my opinion is adding depth to the front seven on our defense. Losing Aaron Smith last year really hurt us and it was obvious that the substitutes did NOT get the job done. Adding a great DE is paramount. Kiesel did not live up to the beast billing that we had all hoped that he would. Smith will be coming off of a serious injury and who knows how that may affect his abilities in the future. Woodley taking Haggans spot next year instantly gives our pass rush more credibility with Harrison on the other side. Bookend bad-asses. Timmons needs to get into our starting line-up IMO. Not sure whose job he should take (Farrior's or Foote's) but last years first pick needs to start giving us 1st rounder plays. Show us why you are worthy and that the pick wasn't a mistake! I would like another stud linebacker here because once Woodley and Timmons make the starting line-up everything behind them is training camp fodder. Only other consideration that I would make is if there was another O-line stud available. But that prospect would have to be a guy who I felt could compete for a starting job. Otherwise I would look back to the defense to add depth to the linebacking corps.

I'd have no problems at all going DL on day 1. There are some quality DE's that can play on the front line or be converted to LB's for us. ILB isn't so much of a priority this year since the loser of the Foote/Timmons battle will be the prime backup and that's pretty good. OLB though is a concern equally with depth on the line so going either position is a very good idea. At this point though I'd put the defensive line as priority over the OLB's but not by much. Getting a FA lineman would be a great idea as there is a good crop available this year but they won't come cheap and any one of them could push Keisel for his spot and at the very least we've immediately increased our options there.


I really agree with most of what you are saying here with OL, DL, and LB as the primary concerns my only thing is that we've got to something at Center and unless Stapleton is ready to take over the job or we take one in the draft ( which isn't a guarantee either) we're going to suffer. When the center can't do his job everybody suffers because there is no way you can play offense with pressure right up the middle constantly.

Black@Gold Forever32
01-21-2008, 07:31 PM
Colon has to be moved to OG.....He gave up a ton of sacks this year at an OT......I think OG is the best position for him which I stated before this past season even started that a move to OG for Willie Colon was in his best interest......Only reason he started at RT is due to Max Starks inconsistent play at the position.......

Drafting a LT is a must or a OT...I just prefer to finally find that LT....Chris Williams sounds good to me....If Faneca isn't resigned and he isn't moved to center...Then a drafting of a center is a must.....I know the coaches are high on Darnell Stapleton....But really do we want to pin our hopes on him as the answer at the center position...Draft a center and a OT......

Say Chris Williams-LT or if you don't want him to start at LT since he will be a rookie then Smith...but other teams have played rookies at LT and made the play-offs....06 Chargers and 07 Colts....But either way Smith will be one of the OTs in 08

Then the OGs spots will be manned by Simmons and Colon....Both will beat out Mahan...lol

That leaves center position...Which mostly likely will be handled by a rookie or Stapleton if he has a great training camp/pre-season...

That really doesn't sound like musical lineman to me....Especially since this current group needed to be blown up anyway....lol

K Train
01-21-2008, 08:20 PM
yeah lets activate stapleton so we can have 2 centers with bum status

BlitzburghRockCity
01-21-2008, 09:21 PM
If we get a Tackle and a Center then we don't have to play musical lineman so much because we have more options available to us other than what's on the roster now. I don't know if Stapleton is the answer or not but he may be and if has taken advantage of this season and has himself ready to go he might be a gem. Either way I would hate to us pass up a Center depending on who falls to us.

BlackGold4vr
01-24-2008, 10:09 AM
If we get a Tackle and a Center then we don't have to play musical lineman so much because we have more options available to us other than what's on the roster now. I don't know if Stapleton is the answer or not but he may be and if has taken advantage of this season and has himself ready to go he might be a gem. Either way I would hate to us pass up a Center depending on who falls to us.



Tom Marino, scout.com lead analyst
"Wake Forest's Steve Justice is a good technician and a solid zone blocker, but is going to really struggle with big people on his nose."

This from a very reputable NFL scout about the #1 rated center in this years draft. This a very weak class for guards and centers. Maybe take 2 tackles. This class is deep at tackle. We might be able to swing Williams from Vanderbilt and Gosder Cherilus from Boston College. If we had 2 good rookie tackles we would still open up a lot more options for ourselves. We have an abundance of guards that could potentially convert to center (other than Mahan). :lol:

darnik44
01-24-2008, 11:00 AM
This from a very reputable NFL scout about the #1 rated center in this years draft. This a very weak class for guards and centers. Maybe take 2 tackles. This class is deep at tackle. We might be able to swing Williams from Vanderbilt and Gosder Cherilus from Boston College. If we had 2 good rookie tackles we would still open up a lot more options for ourselves. We have an abundance of guards that could potentially convert to center (other than Mahan). :lol:

Right, Justice is more suited for a ZBS scheme like Denver runs. As far as Cherilus goes, pretty much rule him out as a future Steeler because he's pretty limited to playing RT at the next level. He really struggles against speed and hard inside moves. Anyone see the first Va Tech/Boston College game? Chris Ellis ate him alive that game. The Steelers seem to prefer versatile offensive linemen. Look at their picks over the last couple years. Colon and Essex have both played OT and OG. That said I feel Colon is best suited to play RG and Chris Kemoeatu looks to be the future LG. I expect the Steelers to like Sam Baker and Chris Williams. Baker is the most versatile of the 2 because he could play 4 of the 5 OL positions. Williams could kick inside and play OG, but is probably best at OT. If they are looking for a future LT then it's probably Williams. If they are looking for versatility and a guy who can compete anywhere it's probably Baker. My personal favorite prospect as far as the centers go is Adam Spieker from Missouri. Arizona State center Mike Pollack has been impressive at the Sr. Bowl.

GoBenGo
01-24-2008, 11:17 AM
NO MORE
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BlackGold4vr
01-24-2008, 11:25 AM
NO MORE
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Love your pic! I have been calling Mahan turnstile all year.

BlackGold4vr
02-04-2008, 11:56 AM
Going on the assumptions that our first 3 picks will be in the neighborhood of 23rd, 54th, and 85th. Here are my first 3 picks for the upcoming draft.

1. Chris Williams, OT, 6-6, 320, Vanderbilt (with the 23rd overall pick)

The best offensive lineman nobody has ever heard of, Williams allowed one sack during the entire 2006 season, which occurred in the first game of the year against Michigan. Williams didn't allow another sack in the next 11 games. He has played well so far this season and if he continues to progress, he will be mentioned among the elite linemen in this class.

2. Branden Albert, OG, 6-6, 320, Virginia (with the 54th overall pick)

Albert is a huge prospect with nimble feet and the versatility to play four of the five line positions. His productivity and skills resulted in him being voted as a co-captain of the Cavaliers squad as a junior as well as allowing him to be named a third-team All-American. Albert needs to work harder in the weight-room to maximize his potential, but there’s no denying he’s got all the tools to be an outstanding value-selection in the late second or early third round.

3. Philip Merling, DE, 6-5, 280, Clemson (with the 85th overall pick)

One player that has intriguing ability and is still developing is Clemson junior defensive end Phillip Merling. At 6-foot-5, 280-pounds, Merling is a tremendous run defender who makes plays in the backfield. He's quick off the snap, plays with leverage, and alters the opposition's offensive direction. He uses his hands effectively and has good range in pursuit. He has great balance, rarely gets knocked off his feet, and is fast off the edge. He's a durable defender who has started every game the last two seasons. Playing in all 12 games this season, Merling recorded 73 tackles (50 solo, 23 assisted), 16 for a loss and 6.5 sacks. If Merling declares for the draft, he'll receive Day One consideration and is a probable second-round selection.

4. Joseph Bryant, DT, 6-4, 330, Texas A&M (with the 116th overall pick)

Bryant is a massive load in the trenches and played well this week. He played well in the game and showed surprising agility and quickness inside. He uses his size to his advantage and possesses strong hands that help him shed blocks. He got a good push up the middle and made plays in the backfield. He moved well laterally and was solid in pursuit. He has a nose for the ball and hustled to recover a John David Booty fumble. Bryant is one of the bigger DTs available in the draft and is a perfect interior presence for a 3-4 scheme. He went from an early second-day pick to a mid-to-late first-day selection.

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Here is my revised list of picks. 1. OT 2. OG 3. DE 4. DT