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BlitzburghRockCity
01-15-2008, 02:33 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08015/849244-66.stm



Tuesday, January 15, 2008
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Steelers can use help everywhere and would consider drafting at any position in the first round this year except quarterback and tight end.

But they won't use free agency as a primary way to restock their roster, following a long-standing philosophy.

"No, I don't see any reason or any scenario where we wouldn't follow the same path we have," Kevin Colbert, the Steelers' director of football operations, said yesterday.

Colbert said the process and priorities will remain consistent with what they've done before. They will first talk to their own players who can become unrestricted free agents, including guard Alan Faneca, and then to others under contract they would like to extend, including quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

While the Steelers could put the franchise tag on Faneca and keep him another year, it's not likely they will do so.

"We haven't closed the door," Colbert said of Faneca. But ... "Again, we know once you get to free agency or are that close to free agency, obviously you're going to have competition. The price most likely has gone up. We haven't closed the door nor will we until we know for sure that we're not going to be in it."

Faneca and linebacker Clark Haggans are the only starters who can become unrestricted free agents. Former starting tackle Max Starks also can become an unrestricted free agent Feb. 29, when the NFL's new calendar year begins.

Colbert said he and others in the organization are in the process of determining how much salary cap room they will have in 2008 -- some incentives earned from last season count this year, for example -- and which players they want to keep and which they do not.

They also will look at free agency; even though they rarely make a splash in free agency, they normally sign a few players, and usually add one starter.

Starters they've added through free agency in recent years include center Sean Mahan (2007), safety Ryan Clark (2006) and receiver Cedrick Wilson (2005). In this century, they also signed free agents who became Pro Bowlers, linebacker James Farrior in 2002 and center Jeff Hartings in 2001.

Colbert said Roethlisberger's impending new deal -- which will easily be the most expensive in club history -- has no bearing on the team's approach to free agency this year.

"Ben is now in that area where he's two years out and that's when we've traditionally addressed the quarterback," Colbert said. "And we will look at guys who are one year out too, in that order."

Among those with one year left on their contracts are Farrior, Wilson, tackle Marvel Smith, quarterback Charlie Batch, tight end Jerame Tuman, cornerback Bryant McFadden and a handful of players who would become restricted free agents after next season.

Colbert agreed with coach Mike Tomlin that the team likely will need help in the offensive and defensive lines, but he did not think the offensive line was as big a problem as many make it out to be.

"Obviously, the sack numbers [47] were something that were up and were unacceptable. But you also have to realize it's the same line that blocked for the league's leading rusher before his injury and it's the same line that allowed the quarterback to have his best year ever.

"To say you need that position and that it is a glaring need, I don't think it's really fair to that group of guys. That being said, sure you want to add depth -- you realize you can lose two unrestricted free agents, and if you do, maybe that changes your focus as you move forward. But I think you have to keep in mind that group did some good things too."

Colbert said the Steelers could draft virtually any position in the first round, and that includes a running back. Willie Parker led the NFL in rushing until his right fibula was broken in the 15th game in St. Louis.

It's not the injury that might prompt them to draft a back -- Colbert said Parker should be as good as new and he would have returned to play in 2007 if the injury came earlier in the season.

Might they draft a back in the first round?

"Heck, yeah, absolutely," Colbert said.

Why?

"LaDainian Tomlinson and Michael Turner [of San Diego], Kevin Faulk and Laurence Maroney [of New England], Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw [of the New York Giants]. Just looking at the teams that are still successful -- look at what Ryan Grant's doing for the Packers after they lost their guy. Unless you have a superstar, and even in San Diego's case, that's as good as it gets but it's still nice to have another guy."


A few things that jumped out at me in this article..

Might they draft a back in the first round?

"Heck, yeah, absolutely," Colbert said.


So help me God if this team doesn't draft an Offensive Lineman in the first round I'm going to go through the roof. For God sakes don't draft a RB in the first round, you can always find gems later on day 1 or early day 2. If Colbert does this with Tomlin it will be probably the biggest blunder yet. What sets all those teams he mentioned with 2 good backs, apart from everyone else is they all have good OL's too.

But they won't use free agency as a primary way to restock their roster, following a long-standing philosophy.

"No, I don't see any reason or any scenario where we wouldn't follow the same path we have," Kevin Colbert, the Steelers' director of football operations, said yesterday.

Same old way of thinking with this team, not using FA to their advantage to fill holes while young guys step up or to tide them over for a couple years till they address problem areas in the draft :cursin:

For all the good that the Rooney's are for the city and for the Steelers; my God use the system to your advantage. They act like FA is some sort of curse or a sin! It's there and players would love to come to Pittsburgh. Cowher used it to his advantage many times in his career and we had a lot of great players come in via that route and help us. You can't possibly address every single need at every position on the team in 1 year of the draft; that's why FA is such a useful thing to have. You can bring in players, veterans who know how to play and let them tide you over for 2-3 years while you work on drafting quality players and grooming them to take over. Why in the world is that such a freekin hard concept to understand for this team !!!!!

AZ_Steeler
01-15-2008, 02:36 AM
So I guess we can expect another quiet off season and then see them pick up another 3rd string center and cut every other center then pick up some washed up receivers... let's hope the stars are aligned for the Steelers come draft weekend.

Black@Gold Forever32
01-15-2008, 02:40 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08015/849244-66.stm



A few things that jumped out at me in this article..

Might they draft a back in the first round?

"Heck, yeah, absolutely," Colbert said.


So help me God if this team doesn't draft an Offensive Lineman in the first round I'm going to go through the roof. For God sakes don't draft a RB in the first round, you can always find gems later on day 1 or early day 2. If Colbert does this with Tomlin it will be probably the biggest blunder yet. What sets all those teams he mentioned with 2 good backs, apart from everyone else is they all have good OL's too.

But they won't use free agency as a primary way to restock their roster, following a long-standing philosophy.

"No, I don't see any reason or any scenario where we wouldn't follow the same path we have," Kevin Colbert, the Steelers' director of football operations, said yesterday.

Same old way of thinking with this team, not using FA to their advantage to fill holes while young guys step up or to tide them over for a couple years till they address problem areas in the draft :cursin:

I think Colbert needs to take a hike...lol Ok....I know Ben takes some sacks he doesn't need to...But how many did he also escape from this year also?lol Plus the Steelers had no inside push this year among their OL.......Which it was clear Sean Mahan isn't the answer at C.......So if Tomlin/Colbert ignore the OT and C positions in this draft I will be really upset also....

I think OT,DL are the main positions they should look to draft in round 1...Then if all the top talents from those positions are gone then you start thinking RB,WR,DB or LB.......

BlitzburghRockCity
01-15-2008, 02:50 AM
I know right; if Tomlin and Colbert can actually sit there and say that the OL is not a priority then somebody needs to take off the black n gold glasses and stop putting so much of this on Ben. Yeah Ben needs to throw it away more but he would have been sacked atleast 30 more times year if he hadn't been so mobile to avoid the freight train pass rush coming right through our tin foil offensive line this year.

Get the freekin line fixed and everything else will be that much easier to address. They are wanting to put the cart before the horse here and talk about drafting all these need areas when once again ignoring the offensive line will prove to be our downfall.

Ambridge
01-15-2008, 08:46 AM
Same old way of thinking with this team, not using FA to their advantage to fill holes while young guys step up or to tide them over for a couple years till they address problem areas in the draft

The Steelers mentality on Free Agency is becoming Antiquated.
Look at the Pats!! They go out and get Moss, Stallworth and Welker for Brady and drop a nice load of cash in Adalius Thomas's lap to help out on defense.

The Steelers FO needs to wake-up and get with the times and adjust how they go about conducting their business.

steelcitysfinestXL
01-15-2008, 10:30 AM
I know one thing im not in "TOTAL" disagreement w/ Colbert on the runningback issue!!! I hate to say it but i see no problem w/ adding a running back w/ vision and a lil more power!! A guy like Addai, Maroney or Jackson!!!

I look in this draft at Chris Jackson from ECU 4.3 40 speed and he runs w/ purpose!!! at 5'10" 200 (at best) he resembles parker and im not sure thats really what we need in a back up running back... be he is a great pass catcher and is a proven kick returner!!! And as much as i hate to say it (gulp) the CB from Troy is a gamer too... big school battle tested 4.3 40 speed and one of the NCAA's top returners!!! A guy that can satisfy multiple needs is the only way i can see us taking a skill position in the 1st!!!

For the most part i am w/ the majority in believing were 2 stud oline men away form a dynasty!!! (yeah i said it dynasty, LOL) but there is some depth in the draft at OL, and we may get a crack at a gamebreaker in the 1st!!! just a thought!!!!

memphissteelergirl
01-15-2008, 10:54 AM
I have to say I am more than a little disappointed about the POV the Colbert has re: free agency. Nowadays you cannot just rely on draft picks to get good players. Not everyone you draft is going to able to contribute right away (well maybe players like Ben, but that's the exception rather than the rule), so why not go after quality players in FA that could be playmakers for you???

And I also agree that the o-line should be priority in the draft! Geez, after the pathetic blocking up front we all saw this past season that should be obvious! :cursin:

K Train
01-15-2008, 01:05 PM
I know one thing im not in "TOTAL" disagreement w/ Colbert on the runningback issue!!! I hate to say it but i see no problem w/ adding a running back w/ vision and a lil more power!! A guy like Addai, Maroney or Jackson!!!

I look in this draft at Chris Jackson from ECU 4.3 40 speed and he runs w/ purpose!!! at 5'10" 200 (at best) he resembles parker and im not sure thats really what we need in a back up running back... be he is a great pass catcher and is a proven kick returner!!! And as much as i hate to say it (gulp) the CB from Troy is a gamer too... big school battle tested 4.3 40 speed and one of the NCAA's top returners!!! A guy that can satisfy multiple needs is the only way i can see us taking a skill position in the 1st!!!

For the most part i am w/ the majority in believing were 2 stud oline men away form a dynasty!!! (yeah i said it dynasty, LOL) but there is some depth in the draft at OL, and we may get a crack at a gamebreaker in the 1st!!! just a thought!!!!


**** mckelvlin, Aqib Talib is the only corner worth a first round pick, no Mcklevlin and not Jenkins.

IF somehow we didnt draft oline in the first, theres only a handful of guys i would be ok with and Talib is one of them

black an gold 4 life
01-15-2008, 02:32 PM
2 answer ur question t.p the rooneys r cheap, man i love the steelers 4 once i would like them 2 get an few fa's n here 4 leadership roles..........they don't have 2 break the bank we need one shut down fa c.b an one 6-5 reciever that's all........................i hope they don't blow that pick in the 1st round on an rb unless he's the best player on the board when they pick........

kgreen
01-15-2008, 03:08 PM
I like our philosophy. Build through the draft and not Free Agency. It is cheap and a more full proof way to build your team. The Pats, who cares what they do? That is there strategy and last time I chaecked teams that win in Free Agency don't normally win on the field. Think of it this way, Cleveland, Washington, Dallas, Arizona and others who generally spend in Free Agency don't produce. Up until this year, NE had built in the draft. We just need to draft smarter.

K Train
01-15-2008, 03:23 PM
2 answer ur question t.p the rooneys r cheap, man i love the steelers 4 once i would like them 2 get an few fa's n here 4 leadership roles..........they don't have 2 break the bank we need one shut down fa c.b an one 6-5 reciever that's all........................i hope they don't blow that pick in the 1st round on an rb unless he's the best player on the board when they pick........

i think we should talk woodson and primetime out of retirement, then get a 7-5 WR, the bengals or colts WR coaches as our OC and i think we should kidnap joe thomas from the browns. then we should just go ahead and assassinate the rooneys and sell the team off to dan snyder. then i think we should make willie parker eat lots and lots of cake so we have a power running game, then we should clone our 7-5 wr and feed him miracle grow so he can be 8-5. then tomlin and the colts and bengals wr coaches should go ahead and merge teams with the patriots and keep belichick on as our special teams coach.

steelcitysfinestXL
01-15-2008, 03:28 PM
i think we should talk woodson and primetime out of retirement, then get a 7-5 WR, the bengals or colts WR coaches as our OC and i think we should kidnap joe thomas from the browns. then we should just go ahead and assassinate the rooneys and sell the team off to dan snyder. then i think we should make willie parker eat lots and lots of cake so we have a power running game, then we should clone our 7-5 wr and feed him miracle grow so he can be 8-5. then tomlin and the colts and bengals wr coaches should go ahead and merge teams with the patriots and keep belichick on as our special teams coach.

and then name you as our GM and draft specialist... @ss, LOL!!! Maybe pack 25 more lbs. on D-SEP and start him at G that would make you happy!!!!! LOL

K Train
01-15-2008, 03:30 PM
ok, that was definitely making fun of all of black and gold 4 lifes posts with on swift superpost...im proud of it lol

steelcitysfinestXL
01-15-2008, 03:33 PM
**** mckelvlin, Aqib Talib is the only corner worth a first round pick, no Mcklevlin and not Jenkins.

IF somehow we didnt draft oline in the first, theres only a handful of guys i would be ok with and Talib is one of them

Talib has nice size and had a good fianl game... but i havent seen him placed ahead of Mcklevlin but once on anyones board... i just like the fact that we would be drafting the #1 or #2 return man and everyones (minus you) #3 or #4 CB!!! Plus he led his team in solo tackles and was rarely throw at!!! the kid has game!!!

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ok, that was definitely making fun of all of black and gold 4 lifes posts with on swift superpost...im proud of it lol

LOL, i know you are buddy!!!

memphissteelergirl
01-15-2008, 03:38 PM
kgreen,

I appreciate your point....and I know that the Rooneys are not gonna throw a lot of cash at a lot of high end talent. All I am saying is that it would not hurt to keep the option open of looking at some free agents that are good QUALITY players that may not have marquee names but are good at fulfilling certain needs.

Just my :2cents:

K Train
01-15-2008, 03:39 PM
i have an eye for corners, the only one worth a first round pick in the last few years was cromartie and hes proved that so far. I just see something in talib. **** jenkins, mcklevlin, king...they are all bums lol

steelcitysfinestXL
01-15-2008, 03:48 PM
As much as I am a King fan he had a subpar year for sure!!! i wouldnt dismiss him entirely, he has the frame and the skills to play in the NFL for sure... I still say i want a book end T in the fisrt unless we can get a guy that is a top performer in his pos and a good KR.... thats McKlevlin!!!

K Train
01-15-2008, 03:51 PM
hes good but not first round good, not even close imo, talib is the only one who is, plus he played at ****ing troy lol, unless hes demarcus ware i will pass

steelcityrockers
01-15-2008, 04:48 PM
Antoine Cason is the best corner this year. For some reason he is flying under the radar. He is slow (not much more so than Talib) and some have him converting to FS. Wherever he goes he will be very good.

K Train
01-15-2008, 07:40 PM
Rob Rang, a senior draft analyst for NFLdraftscout.com, said it is a good year for teams looking for offensive tackles, since as many as five, including Pitt's Jeff Otah, could be taken in the first round.

If the Steelers take an offensive tackle with their first-round pick (No. 24 overall), they might move right tackle Willie Colon to guard or even try him at center.

The Steelers also might consider trying right guard Kendall Simmons at center, given the struggles of Sean Mahan, their only significant free-agent signing last year.

If the Steelers take an offensive lineman among their first two picks in the draft, Rang said, Arizona State center Mike Pollak could be a good fit.

The 6-foot-4, 292-pounder's draft stock has "skyrocketed" this season, Rang said, and he could be a second-round pick.

"Very physical and knows how to play with technique," Rang said of Pollak. "He's the kind of guy that Pittsburgh in the past may consider."

If the Steelers are looking for immediate contributions from the players they take in April's draft, they also will be looking for more help from the players they took in last year's draft.

They didn't get much out of first-rounder Lawrence Timmons, in part because a groin injury limited the linebacker during offseason practices and a significant portion of training camp.

Timmons, who was stuck behind Pro Bowler James Harrison at right outside linebacker, has been moved inside, and he'll compete with Larry Foote for playing time at the "mack" position next season.

Second-round pick LaMarr Woodley thrived at the end of the season, and his emergence is why the Steelers most likely won't bring back Clark Haggans at left outside linebacker.

Tomlin made it clear last week that the growth of the Steelers' most recent draft class will play a significant role in shaping what happens in 2008.

Ambridge
01-15-2008, 09:43 PM
Up until this year, NE had built in the draft. We just need to draft smarter.

I agree that a team should build primarily through the draft but when there are holes to fill and you have a team that is ready to win now sometimes there isn't enough time to build up a roster of talent through the draft.

The Pats saw that Brady needed some weapons and they went out and got them. There's no arguement with what they did because they are 17-0 and it's just a formality that they're going to be hoisting their 4th Lombardi in a few weeks.

Ben needs O-line protection right now and if they don't think about dipping into the free agent pool Steeler fans can expect another year like '07 or possibly even worse.
It's only a matter of time before Ben starts getting pissed off getting hit all the time.....that's if he's not carted off the field with a serious injury first.

Stlrs4Life
01-15-2008, 10:09 PM
I like our philosophy. Build through the draft and not Free Agency. It is cheap and a more full proof way to build your team. The Pats, who cares what they do? That is there strategy and last time I chaecked teams that win in Free Agency don't normally win on the field. Think of it this way, Cleveland, Washington, Dallas, Arizona and others who generally spend in Free Agency don't produce. Up until this year, NE had built in the draft. We just need to draft smarter.



I agree. I enjoy building through the draft. A FA pick up here and there is fine. But you can't pick up FAs like Mahan all the time.

kgreen
01-15-2008, 10:13 PM
kgreen,

I appreciate your point....and I know that the Rooneys are not gonna throw a lot of cash at a lot of high end talent. All I am saying is that it would not hurt to keep the option open of looking at some free agents that are good QUALITY players that may not have marquee names but are good at fulfilling certain needs.

Just my :2cents:

Yeah I totally agree. I mean they can be flexible in this situation. Spend a few (just a few) bucks in FA then go back to your old ways becasue after all: they have produced 5 Super Bowl Champions.

BlitzburghRockCity
01-15-2008, 11:24 PM
I agree that a team should build primarily through the draft but when there are holes to fill and you have a team that is ready to win now sometimes there isn't enough time to build up a roster of talent through the draft.

The Pats saw that Brady needed some weapons and they went out and got them. There's no arguement with what they did because they are 17-0 and it's just a formality that they're going to be hoisting their 4th Lombardi in a few weeks.

Ben needs O-line protection right now and if they don't think about dipping into the free agent pool Steeler fans can expect another year like '07 or possibly even worse.
It's only a matter of time before Ben starts getting pissed off getting hit all the time.....that's if he's not carted off the field with a serious injury first.


That's exactly the point right there; FA is there to be used and there are great players available that can fill a need on a temporary basis if nothing else. Why in God's name this team doesn't do that anymore is beyond me. You can't build a super bowl team on just FA's just ask the Redskins. You need to draft smart that's priority number 1. You can't have all your day 2 picks just ending up as training camp fodder.

If this team wants to take the next step they better rethink their strategy or at the very least rethink how they evaluate later round players because whatever they have been doing for the last 5 years has been flat out bad.

BlackGold4vr
01-16-2008, 12:23 AM
I agree!

I think if we dump Sean Mahan and replace him with a quality free agent center it could go a long way to suring up our o-line. But we can't go bargain shopping for one. Grab a great player or don't go there at all. The free agents haven't declared yet so we really don't know what is available out there this year. There are not a lot of great centers in this years draft class. I have already thrown out my first 3 picks in the "Steeler War Room" under the Scout.com thread. If we could grab Chris Williams OT from Vandy and pick up a top free agent center, I believe we have enough on the roster to make something work for us (even if we lose Faneca). Resign Starks and put him back at RT and move Willie Colon over to LG. Chris Williams could back up Marvel and potentially ease into the LT job as Smith suffers his next series of back problems. :2cents:

Mike Tomlin
01-16-2008, 01:29 AM
The Rooney's should see if Faneca wants to really retire as a Steeler ,if so he should give us the bootleg price understanding we need to fill some holes on this team. Hell who wants to retire a loser plus we can draft or get a center in free agency to help him out. The draft is pretty deep at running back so we can get a good one later in the draft. I do think Matt Jones would be a ok fit "IF" he's cheap, he's tall with good hands and speed. He would be a good 3rd WR and a big target for Ben. If we don't draft a Center we can get a OT in the draft in case Starks leaves.The only way we can address our corner problem is to get a vet out of FA that can actually shut down a teams number 1 receiver. Ike would be a lot better on athe number 2 WR. If not that Snatch up Haynesworth i'm sure he'd love to play for us and he would bring a big boost to our D-line. Either way we'll have to go to free agency to fill some of these holes or the whole ship will sink.

BlitzburghRockCity
01-16-2008, 12:27 PM
At this point in his career for Faneca he is equating money with his worth on this team. He knows they aren't big spenders in general and he also knows he'll get top dollar in the FA market so he's trying to pull the power play. The only way he gets a ton of money is by going to a sub par team where he'll never get another ring. He's said he won't be giving us a hometown discount so unless he has a change of heart he'll be gone.

A big time Center is so key for this team, if they try and skimp again at that position or any of them on the line we might as well just settle in for another long season and one that will end abruptly in the first round if we even make it.

SteelerFan87
01-16-2008, 04:18 PM
i think we should talk woodson and primetime out of retirement, then get a 7-5 WR, the bengals or colts WR coaches as our OC and i think we should kidnap joe thomas from the browns. then we should just go ahead and assassinate the rooneys and sell the team off to dan snyder. then i think we should make willie parker eat lots and lots of cake so we have a power running game, then we should clone our 7-5 wr and feed him miracle grow so he can be 8-5. then tomlin and the colts and bengals wr coaches should go ahead and merge teams with the patriots and keep belichick on as our special teams coach.

:lol::lol::lol:

"i think we should make willie parker eat lots and lots of cake so we have a power running game"

"merge teams with the patriots and keep belichick on as our special teams coach."
:hilarious:

BEST POST EVER!

steelcityrockers
01-16-2008, 06:55 PM
Don't forget the 8-5 WR clone.

Black@Gold Forever32
01-16-2008, 08:26 PM
Rob Rang, a senior draft analyst for NFLdraftscout.com, said it is a good year for teams looking for offensive tackles, since as many as five, including Pitt's Jeff Otah, could be taken in the first round.

If the Steelers take an offensive tackle with their first-round pick (No. 24 overall), they might move right tackle Willie Colon to guard or even try him at center.

The Steelers also might consider trying right guard Kendall Simmons at center, given the struggles of Sean Mahan, their only significant free-agent signing last year.

If the Steelers take an offensive lineman among their first two picks in the draft, Rang said, Arizona State center Mike Pollak could be a good fit.

The 6-foot-4, 292-pounder's draft stock has "skyrocketed" this season, Rang said, and he could be a second-round pick.

"Very physical and knows how to play with technique," Rang said of Pollak. "He's the kind of guy that Pittsburgh in the past may consider."

If the Steelers are looking for immediate contributions from the players they take in April's draft, they also will be looking for more help from the players they took in last year's draft.

They didn't get much out of first-rounder Lawrence Timmons, in part because a groin injury limited the linebacker during offseason practices and a significant portion of training camp.

Timmons, who was stuck behind Pro Bowler James Harrison at right outside linebacker, has been moved inside, and he'll compete with Larry Foote for playing time at the "mack" position next season.

Second-round pick LaMarr Woodley thrived at the end of the season, and his emergence is why the Steelers most likely won't bring back Clark Haggans at left outside linebacker.

Tomlin made it clear last week that the growth of the Steelers' most recent draft class will play a significant role in shaping what happens in 2008.

We have been in agreement on LT for some time....I think we could wait until 3rd round at earliest for a center...But if Pollak is a badass and his stock has risen to the 2nd round then so be it drafting him in the 2nd...I really don't care who the center is just as long as Mahan isn't the center anymore...Anybody and I mean anybody has to be better then Mahan...

Funny all this Colon to OG talk now....I called that a long time ago....:lol: At center is interesting....Still he has to be better then Mahan...lol

Ktrain I'm also with you on Talib only corner worth taking in the first round.....If all the LTs are gone I wouldn't mind him being drafted....Or a top 3-4 DE prospect.....

BlitzburghRockCity
01-16-2008, 08:45 PM
Simmons was tried at Center this offseason and wasn't able to win the job so that means either he they didn't think he was suited for the position or they didnt feel like they had a Guard able to step in and take over for him so they had to leave him as is.

Colon at Center, that's the first Im hearing of that myself. Honestly I don't know why this team keeps considering moving people around all the time and trying to play musical lineman. Just draft a damn franchise Center and LT and be done with it. Those are very key positions on the line that you can't just stick a scrub in and deal with it.

BRICKTOWN BEAST
01-16-2008, 08:55 PM
Yeah there actually ALOT of great centers in this years draft

steelcitysfinestXL
01-17-2008, 01:18 PM
hes good but not first round good, not even close imo, talib is the only one who is, plus he played at ****ing troy lol, unless hes demarcus ware i will pass

My point is, we pick at 24 and Long, Otah, Baker and Williams are all penciled in most draft boards in the top 15... im saying is, If we arent aggressive and try to trade up to get in the mix for one of these guys (Otah or Williams ae my picks) there is obviously some 1st round caliber talent at T in the 2nd round! The 1 position i think we need to address almost as much as OL is at KR/PR and special teams coverage!! Depth at corner is a slight concernt too!!! We could kill 3 birds w/ one stone drafting this kid!!!

Mel Kipers Big Board
21. Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy (5-10, 185) | Previous: Unranked
Not only a very good cover man with superior recovery ability (runs in the 4.38 range) and the aggressiveness to get the job done in run support, McKelvin has made a name for himself as the top return man in the entire nation. He's also stood out this season in games against the likes of Arkansas, Florida, Oklahoma State, and Georgia. For the year, he's fifth on the team with 52 stops, while also breaking up eight passes, forcing three fumbles, and coming away with two interceptions. He's returned 23 punts for an 18.3 yard average and three TD's, while returning 29 kickoffs for a 21.0 yard average. With his speed and versatility, McKelvin will bring a great deal of value to a football team.

In my opinion he adds more value on special teams which is a glaring weakness on our squad!!! His best games were against SEC and Big 12 teams so he has played top level competition. This is just my opinion, but, if we cant/dont get a OT in the first, i would hope we help our selves to a good return man who adds needed depth to our team!!

Mike Tomlin
01-17-2008, 04:40 PM
We should get this kid Brandon Sumrall from Southern Miss. We should be able to get him with a later pick. This guy is fast and he hits hard plus he plays corner and safety. He tackles like a safety at 5'11 195 but has the speed and ball skills of a corner. He also had six picks his senior year his first year at corner in college. Hell he could be our next Rod Woodson he shifted from safety to corner and still made honors. with the scheme we run we need a corner who can hit, this guy causes fumbles often. He can play special teams too.


http://southernmiss.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/sumrall_brandon00.html

SteelersfaninPhilly
01-17-2008, 09:11 PM
We should get this kid Brandon Sumrall from Southern Miss. We should be able to get him with a later pick. This guy is fast and he hits hard plus he plays corner and safety. He tackles like a safety at 5'11 195 but has the speed and ball skills of a corner. He also had six picks his senior year his first year at corner in college. Hell he could be our next Rod Woodson he shifted from safety to corner and still made honors. with the scheme we run we need a corner who can hit, this guy causes fumbles often. He can play special teams too.


http://southernmiss.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/sumrall_brandon00.html


Improving the lines is more important.

steelcityrockers
01-18-2008, 12:23 AM
Yes. Improve the lines and success will follow.

Mike Tomlin
01-18-2008, 07:30 AM
Improving the lines is more important.
So we don't need secondary help? This kid can be what ever we need in the secondary from safety to corner.What happens if either one of our safties or corners go down?
I agree it's more important for us to pick an O-lineman in the early rounds that's why I said this kid would work for us. I'm guessing he'll still be avalaible in the 4th or 5th round maybe even the 6th, if we're planning on getting immediate help on the O-line i'm sure we'll address the lines with earlier picks. This kid is going to be a steal and he fits our type of play. He can also return kicks.

K Train
01-18-2008, 01:23 PM
So we don't need secondary help? This kid can be what ever we need in the secondary from safety to corner.What happens if either one of our safties or corners go down?
I agree it's more important for us to pick an O-lineman in the early rounds that's why I said this kid would work for us. I'm guessing he'll still be avalaible in the 4th or 5th round maybe even the 6th, if we're planning on getting immediate help on the O-line i'm sure we'll address the lines with earlier picks. This kid is going to be a steal and he fits our type of play. He can also return kicks.

watch how much better our secondary gets when haggans gets out of there. i love what william gay brings to the table and a healthy clark will really sure up our depth

Mike Tomlin
01-18-2008, 02:49 PM
watch how much better our secondary gets when haggans gets out of there. i love what william gay brings to the table and a healthy clark will really sure up our depth

Yeah I can't wait to see how does with more snaps. I still think if we can get this dude late why not?

Black@Gold Forever32
01-18-2008, 05:23 PM
watch how much better our secondary gets when haggans gets out of there. i love what william gay brings to the table and a healthy clark will really sure up our depth

+100.......I say it all the time a better pass rush makes the secondary so much better.....Thats why I don't bash the secondary to much...Only player I bitch about is Troy and that is due to his lack of production/huge contract....lol People forget that this is almost the same secondary that we won it all with in 2005....

Now if a corner like Talib is our best option in the fist round after the top OTs are gone then I wouldn't mind a corner picked....I'm still thinking that Anthony Smith is a player and will bounce back next year...But with Ryan Clarks condition the team might want to think about drafting a safety for depth on the 2nd day of the draft....But I really don't secondary is a huge need....

steelcityrockers
01-18-2008, 08:22 PM
I wouldn't take a corner on day 1 unless he doubles as an explosive returner (e.g. McKelvin)

MDSteel15
01-19-2008, 02:20 AM
There should be ONE possition, I repeat ONE position that w eare concerned with in the first round and the is Tackle! Ir has to be addressed before all others.....

Black@Gold Forever32
01-19-2008, 02:24 AM
There should be ONE possition, I repeat ONE position that w eare concerned with in the first round and the is Tackle! Ir has to be addressed before all others.....

Well yes I agree and most do that OT is the biggest need on the team heading into the off-season...But there is chance that all the top OTs could be gone...I doubt it but it could happen so then other positions would have to be looked at....I don't want to reach for OT that could be there in the 2nd round if all the first round grade OT are gone by the Steelers pick in the first round...

MDSteel15
01-19-2008, 12:46 PM
Well yes I agree and most do that OT is the biggest need on the team heading into the off-season...But there is chance that all the top OTs could be gone...I doubt it but it could happen so then other positions would have to be looked at....I don't want to reach for OT that could be there in the 2nd round if all the first round grade OT are gone by the Steelers pick in the first round...

If they are worried about not getting someone then we need to move UP 5-10 spots in the draft and get one...

steelcityrockers
01-19-2008, 12:48 PM
OL in general is the position I want addressed. I guess a new tackle would be nice but Smith sans back problem is better than a rookie, and if they re-sign Starks than RT should be set. Essex looked good in the playoffs as well.

Stlrs4Life
01-19-2008, 12:51 PM
There should be ONE possition, I repeat ONE position that w eare concerned with in the first round and the is Tackle! Ir has to be addressed before all others.....



Or Center.

Black@Gold Forever32
01-19-2008, 01:22 PM
OL in general is the position I want addressed. I guess a new tackle would be nice but Smith sans back problem is better than a rookie, and if they re-sign Starks than RT should be set. Essex looked good in the playoffs as well.

Starks has been very inconsistent at RT with the Steelers......Thats why Willie Colon took his spot at RT.....Smith has done a good job at LT but I have thought he was better suited at RT....Sure Trai Essex did ok vs the Jags in the play-off game.....But I really don't want to head into next year thinking Essex is the answer from one play-off game...lol.....Colon needs to be moved to OG.....So OT is the biggest need on this team....Plus there is only one OG rated as a first rounders and that is Duke Robinson of Oklahoma....No centers are worth a first round grade in this draft.....Really OT is the only way to go in the first round if you want an OL in the first round...

BlitzburghRockCity
01-19-2008, 01:34 PM
Heading into 2008 with a guy who's got an ongoing back issue, a backup who started 1 playoff game, and a guy who was benched from RT and then went to left before getting hurt doesn't exactly install confidence in me to be honest.

Marvel is very serviceable and has been for years, if this surgery he had does the trick then that's great. Max was benched and if he got his head out of his *** and is ready to play then Im all for it. Either way though we need depth at this position and Im not totally convinced Max is the answer but he is certainly an option for us and he did play better later in the year for us at LT. Having Essex as the only real option at backup is not a good thing; yes he did hold his own when he played. We need to get a big time Tackle and have an open competition there between everybody who can play the position and see who wants it bad enough. The same should happen with Guard too. At center it's no debate, go out and draft us a big time player and let him grow into the position; use Simmons and mahan to back him up for now.

TEEMONT
01-19-2008, 03:31 PM
I like our philosophy. Build through the draft and not Free Agency. It is cheap and a more full proof way to build your team. The Pats, who cares what they do? That is there strategy and last time I chaecked teams that win in Free Agency don't normally win on the field. Think of it this way, Cleveland, Washington, Dallas, Arizona and others who generally spend in Free Agency don't produce. Up until this year, NE had built in the draft. We just need to draft smarter.

Super Bowls in the past 25 years:

Pats: about to be 4 (and the year they do mix it up in FA, they blew everyone, including us, away)
Steelers: 1

I think we should take note on how they do business.

And two of the teams that you mentioned don't produce in FA went as far or further in the playoffs than we did this year. And Cleveland had the same record as we did, on top of all of that AZ beat us.

Stairwayto7
01-21-2008, 08:09 AM
I think this article is all bs. teams never want anybody to know exactly what they are looking for. They do`nt want to give up any bargaining leverage. Get the O-linemen, lets get going with the later rounds now.

BlitzburghRockCity
01-21-2008, 10:05 AM
Cowher was never really all that good at smoke screens, everybody knew what we were going to do most of the time in the draft. This year everybody knows we need OL and help at the DL. If we don't hit a home run on every pick we have through atleast the 4th round, and IMO we need a pick in atleast the 5th round too that will contribute then it's going to be the same old same old come training camp.