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BlitzburghRockCity
01-13-2008, 01:27 AM
All during the Cowher era we weren't exactly a FA kind of time by any means. Over the years we'd bring some key guys here and there to help out but we've always been a team that builds through the draft. I have no problems with that as long as you draft well and for the first part of BC's career with us we did draft well every year but the last 5-7 years our drafting has been steadily declining.

Teams like the Pats go out and make some big splashes in free agency and it's helped them a lot so maybe it's time this team went out and got some keep players from other sources besides the draft?

Black@Gold Forever32
01-13-2008, 05:26 AM
All during the Cowher era we weren't exactly a FA kind of time by any means. Over the years we'd bring some key guys here and there to help out but we've always been a team that builds through the draft. I have no problems with that as long as you draft well and for the first part of BC's career with us we did draft well every year but the last 5-7 years our drafting has been steadily declining.

Teams like the Pats go out and make some big splashes in free agency and it's helped them a lot so maybe it's time this team went out and got some keep players from other sources besides the draft?

Free agency could be good or bad....Daniel Snyder of the Redskins always spends the coin but the Skins really havn't had the success to match his spending ways.....

The Pats really did make huge splashes in free agency until this past year when they finally over loaded to get weapons for Tom Brady and also they brought in Adialus Thomas for the defense....But great trades and always drafting well were the main reasons for their past success.......

The year they needed a RB...They traded for Dillion....This year they traded for Randy Moss and Wes Welker....

But still I would like the Rooney's to be more active in free agency......I don't want them to go nuts....But it would be nice to sign some FA's to fill holes instead of always drafting to fill them........But they have brought in the likes of Jeff Hartings and James Farrior in the past.....A couple of those level FA is all I ask.....:yellowthumb:

SteelerSal
01-13-2008, 09:11 AM
But still I would like the Rooney's to be more active in free agency......I don't want them to go nuts....But it would be nice to sign some FA's to fill holes instead of always drafting to fill them........But they have brought in the likes of Jeff Hartings and James Farrior in the past.....A couple of those level FA is all I ask.....

I agree. The o-line needs proven experience, via FA, because Ben wont last the season with project players protecting him.

Ryan Clark was brought in also, as a FA and filled Chris Hopes position nicely.
Then that same year we draft Anthony Smith on day one.:scratch:

I hope this season will be better, FA and draft wise, with Tomlin settle in.
Last season, during FA, he seemed desperate getting Mahan at center, to fill Hartings and Okobi's vacant spots, because he seemed more focused on the defensive side of the ball during the draft.

DIESELMAN
01-13-2008, 10:10 AM
The problem with Snyder buying everybody in sight is most of them don't fit the Skins game plan. Thats the key, to get a FA in here that fits our schemes and game plans. I'd like to see us dip a little more into FA. I don't know who's out there this year, but we got players who need to be resigned and rookies coming in, I think we got around 16-18 Mil to play with to do all that.

steelerfan11
01-13-2008, 10:14 AM
I don't know i would want or see the steelers going in FA to get a new OL. They are just going for too much money, i would prefer going through the draft to get them. I would like to see the steelers get a DB, WR, or LB in FA to get some proven depth. Maybe like a third option at WR to help hines and holmes, and of course we need a proven KR, PR and not some old over the hill guy like we got with rossom.

DIESELMAN
01-13-2008, 10:34 AM
I don't know i would want or see the steelers going in FA to get a new OL. They are just going for too much money,

Good point.....a lot of over rated players have been given star contracts, we can thank greedy, stupid owners for that. In the real world when your working at a union job theres usually a ceiling on how much you can make when you get to certain wage grades or level. Don't see why the NFL can't do that.

BlitzburghRockCity
01-13-2008, 11:00 AM
The problem with Snyder buying everybody in sight is most of them don't fit the Skins game plan. Thats the key, to get a FA in here that fits our schemes and game plans. I'd like to see us dip a little more into FA. I don't know who's out there this year, but we got players who need to be resigned and rookies coming in, I think we got around 16-18 Mil to play with to do all that.

That is exactly the reason why the Skins have always been sub par, you can't buy a championship. You've got to get good players that fit your team, that fit in the locker room. You can't go out and buy bunch me first players and expect them to all work together and plus you've got to have the right coaches that can work with the players you want in FA.

I would love to see us get a couple Veteran lineman to throw in the mix on the line and let them all compete with a few draft picks we get. I'd really like to see us get a quality FA receiver. A guy that can compliment the starters and also push guys like Nate to be even better.

Prosdo
01-13-2008, 11:07 AM
I agree the Steelers need some o-line help via free agency. They don't have time to draft a o-linemen and let him develop without picking up someone to fill the hole now.

MDSteel15
01-13-2008, 11:13 AM
I agree with Diesel, the FAs we pick up, if there are any, must fit our system. We can't do like the Deadskins. Actually, the Rooney's won't allow that to happen.

black an gold 4 life
01-13-2008, 11:15 AM
i would like us 2 get a few key fa, like one shut down corner, an proven o-line help.................an maybe an tall 6-5 reciever, the rest i would like 2 c come by the draft.............

steelerfan11
01-13-2008, 01:41 PM
That is exactly the reason why the Skins have always been sub par, you can't buy a championship. You've got to get good players that fit your team, that fit in the locker room. You can't go out and buy bunch me first players and expect them to all work together and plus you've got to have the right coaches that can work with the players you want in FA.

I know its a different sport...but this made me think of how the New York Knicks tried to buy a championship..look what happened to them...haha

steelcityrockers
01-13-2008, 06:17 PM
of course the Steelerss should be more active in FA but the question is will they? Which I think is no.

MOTORKRAFT
01-13-2008, 06:32 PM
The first thing the Steelers should do is trade for Adam "Pac man" Jones. C.B. need filled. K.R need filled. Coach Tomlin can coach him up and the organization will take the thug out of him.

Stlrs4Life
01-13-2008, 07:52 PM
I think we should, but not sure we have the cap space to do it.

BlitzburghRockCity
01-13-2008, 07:52 PM
The Rooney's would never allow a worthless troublemaker like Pacman to join the team, that dude would have to come in for the league minimum and be on short leash if they did.

K Train
01-13-2008, 07:59 PM
i would like us 2 get a few key fa, like one shut down corner, an proven o-line help.................an maybe an tall 6-5 reciever, the rest i would like 2 c come by the draft.............

maybe a fat runningback too....

^sarcasm






i would like to look at jerry porter or jabbar gaffney. Pacman would be ****ing awesome, i would cry with joy if we signed haynesworth lol

Michael Turner would make me the happiest person alive and mark my words would knock willie out of the starting lineup on day one of camp

BlitzburghRockCity
01-13-2008, 08:02 PM
I would like to see Porter come in here for sure, that would be just the ticket and he'd push Nate for that 3rd spot and then we'd have 4 viable options at WR.

Michael Turner would give us a 1-2 punch that would be something special; then you add Najeh into the mix on 3rd down and damn we'd be wicked tough....

well assuming we get some blockers of course..LOL

MOTORKRAFT
01-13-2008, 08:33 PM
The Rooney's would never allow a worthless troublemaker like Pacman to join the team, that dude would have to come in for the league minimum and be on short leash if they did.
I know what your saying. Look at Randy Moss in Oakland, Look at Randy Moss in New Cheatland. I'd be looking for the same results.:stirpot:

kgreen
01-13-2008, 08:37 PM
The first thing the Steelers should do is trade for Adam "Pac man" Jones. C.B. need filled. K.R need filled. Coach Tomlin can coach him up and the organization will take the thug out of him.

Are you on crack?

K Train
01-13-2008, 08:53 PM
Jones is a beast of a corner, and a hell of a returner....i'd take him, if it doenst work out, let him go, im not saying give him a huge multi-year deal, but damn someone is gonna give him a chance

ItAintEasyBeingPeazy
01-13-2008, 11:35 PM
I think we can draft a plug in reciever like Hardy from IU. Look at Dwayne Bowe for KC this year, rookie WR that made big plays for them.

As for O line help, i definately think we need to spend some coin in FA, we need help quick,fast and in a hurry.Don't have time for projects and question marks.

Haynesworth would be awesome pick-up.We all know what happened to the D when Aaron Smith went down. I think Tomlin will surprise us all and actually make some good moves this FA.Atleast i'm hoping.

K Train
01-13-2008, 11:37 PM
haynesworth will get tagged without question, but its an awesome thought lol.

Bowe was a stud out of college, we'll have a better idea about those kind of players after the combine and senior bowl, im not convinced hardy is that kind of player yet

SteelerFan87
01-14-2008, 01:09 PM
1. I do not want Haynesworth. He's been a beast this year because it's a contract year for him. The only time I ever heard his name before this year was when he stomped on that guy's head.

2. I do think we need to make some bold moves in free agency every now and then. I'm not saying go on a crazy spending spree, but we need to do more than just get last-tier free agents just to fill depth. If I owned the Steelers, I would go after Javon Walker, maybe get an OL too, and definitely draft OL in the first 2-3 rounds (at least one of those guys should be able to start and be a good player). Think about that. We'd have Walker, Ward, and Holmes as our top 3 WR. We could use alot of 3 WR sets, spread the field with those 3 guys as well as Heath, and we'd have the kind of offense that the Pats have now. I know we've tried becoming a passing team in the past, and it hasn't worked, but that was because the rest of the team was built around the run, and we stupidly thought that just having 2 really good WRs was enough. If we had Walker, Ward, Holmes, Miller, and then mix in a little bit of Nate, how are you going to stop that?
I think it's time for the Rooneys to stop running the Steelers as though they are the only team in the league, and all we have to do is maintain the status quo. The status quo is very very good. The status quo is a virtual lock to make the playoffs almost every year, and maybe go to the AFC Championship every once in a while. But do we want that, or do we want Super Bowls? To be an elite team, you have to outmaneuver the elite teams. You have to be dedicated to excellence, not just really really good, or else the other top teams will pass you up. Look at our defense. It's consistently one of the best in the league, and this year it was statistically THE best, but was it really a dominant defense? I'm sick of teams like Baltimore and Chicago and whoever being known as a dominant defense that you have to fear, while we hover around greatness, but never truly become the kind of fearsome, dominant, remembered-for-all-time defense that we can and should be, and once were. Or our running game. We're supposedly a running team, but we aren't the best at it. The Jaguars, Vikings, etc are better. Why can't we be the best? Why shouldn't we be the best?
We have a good passing game, a good running game, and a good defense, and that all adds up to a very very good team, but in no area are we truly exceptional. You don't want to have one facet of your team be great while the other parts suck, like the Bengals or the Ravens, but if we really want to become a dynasty again, we have to go above just "really really good".

Black@Gold Forever32
01-14-2008, 03:56 PM
haynesworth will get tagged without question, but its an awesome thought lol.

Bowe was a stud out of college, we'll have a better idea about those kind of players after the combine and senior bowl, im not convinced hardy is that kind of player yet

You're not convinced about James Hardy?lol....The kid is a player....I know Big 10 players........ I told everyone about Anthony Spencer and he shot up draft charts.....He didn't have a huge rookie year but he still had 3 sacks this year.....I still like Spencer....I'm telling you James Hardy is the real deal....I have watched for a few years now and have liked what I have seen....You have to think also Train.....Indiana isn't a football power like LSU.....So Hardy doesn't have a ton of talent to help him out like Bowe did....

K Train
01-14-2008, 06:37 PM
sorry but he didnt show me much in the bowl game, i was all over the spencer wagon but i would rather have a few other WRs at this point. players like this need to step up in bowl games, which he didnt

steelcityrockers
01-14-2008, 10:21 PM
I would love if we got Pacman for the obvious reasons. If we waited until he was cut then signed him to an incentive laden one-year deal with an option for a few more years. However, being sane I know that this would never be done.

Black@Gold Forever32
01-15-2008, 01:52 AM
sorry but he didnt show me much in the bowl game, i was all over the spencer wagon but i would rather have a few other WRs at this point. players like this need to step up in bowl games, which he didnt


You don't think the talent around him effected his performance in one Bowl Game? When you're the main threat on a team like Hardy is its easy for teams to take him away in a single game.....He will be a player in the NFL.......

Plus judging a player in one game isn't much to go by....I have watched Hardy play many times....I don't let one game effect my overall opinion on a player......

Stairwayto7
01-15-2008, 10:41 AM
I agree we everyone. We need to use free agency more than Cowher, but we need to be very choosey! No dumb money! A damn good O-lineman could e a good bet!

K Train
01-15-2008, 02:33 PM
You don't think the talent around him effected his performance in one Bowl Game? When you're the main threat on a team like Hardy is its easy for teams to take him away in a single game.....He will be a player in the NFL.......

Plus judging a player in one game isn't much to go by....I have watched Hardy play many times....I don't let one game effect my overall opinion on a player......

im not saying hes a bum lol, i just havent seen much out of him...gimme some time lol

Stlrs4Life
01-20-2008, 03:35 PM
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Sunday JANUARY 20, 2008 :: Last modified: Sunday, January 20, 2008 1:31 AM EST

Colbert: Steelers won't spend a lot of money on free agents

Steelers director of personnel Kevin Colbert is eyeing some improvement in a few areas this offseason.(The Times/Lucy Schaly)

By Mike Bires, TIMES SPORTS STAFF

PITTSBURGH — When your team can’t make it past wild-card weekend, the process to improve next season starts immediately. So already Kevin Colbert is in fix-it mode.

Like chairman Dan Rooney and coach Mike Tomlin, Colbert acknowledges that a 10-6, division-winning year wasn’t all that bad. But with expectations so high, the Steelers’ personnel director knows there’s plenty of work to do to get better.

“It was OK,” Colbert said of the season that ended with a 31-29 home playoff loss to Jacksonville. “We were happy to finish 10-6. We were happy to win the division and make the playoffs. But we certainly aren’t satisfied. As coach said, we’ll never be satisfied until we win the Super Bowl.”

And to take the steps necessary to be in Tampa, Fla., on Feb. 1, 2009 — that’s the site and date for Super Bowl XLIII — Colbert expects plenty of change once the Steelers report to training camp.

Even though the company line says that negotiations with Alan Faneca still aren’t completely dead, there’s little reason to believe the Steelers can match the lucrative offer he’ll get on the open market.

Outside linebacker Clark Haggans will leave as an unrestricted free agent. Tackle Max Starks, fullback Dan Kreider and defensive ends Travis Kirschke and Nick Eason are also unrestricted free agents.

And there’s a chance that some returning starters — center Sean Mahan and inside linebacker Larry Foote for example — might be reduced to backups next season.

It’s already a given that LaMarr Woodley, a second-round pick in the 2007 draft, will start at left outside linebacker. Lawrence Timmons, last year’s No. 1 pick, will get a chance to beat out Foote at right inside linebacker.

Chris Kemoeatu may be the man who replaces Faneca. Right guard Kendall Simmons may switch center. Right tackle Willie Colon might switch to guard.

Maybe even Darnell Stapleton, who made the team as an undrafted rookie free agent, may be the man who ousts Mahan at center.

“We have to make additions, really,” said Colbert, who was in Houston, Tex., this past week for the annual East-West Shrine Game, one of postseason all-star games for college seniors.

“I mean, the way I look at it, you are what your record is. And the team we put together is a 10-6 team. Now, we have to continue.

“We’re going to lose some players. We have to add players, there’s no question about that. We have to make the correct additions to make sure we give ourselves the best chance to be Super Bowl champions.”

Like Rooney said last week, Colbert confirmed that the Steelers don’t figure to be prominent players in free agency in March. At least they won’t be very active in the first few days when the cast of high-profile players demanding outlandish contracts will be signed.

If the Steelers sign any free agents, they’ll likely land one or two players “who are more salary-cap friendly,” Colbert said.

So, the Steelers will continue to build via the draft.

And who might the Steelers be looking for with their three first-day picks?

While the Steelers obviously need help on both the offensive lines and defensive lines, Colbert said the only positions they won’t pick on day one is quarterback and tight end.

Colbert even said that even though Willie Parker is expected to make a full recovery from a Dec. 20 broken leg, the Steelers could even draft a running back early, possibly in the first round.

“We were a 10-6 division-winning playoff team, so are we that far away? No,” Colbert said. “But to think that we can come back with the same group of guys and finish any better that we did this year, then I think that would be short-sighted on our part.

“Over the next three months, we’ll try to put together a better roster than we had this season.”

This week that process continues as Colbert and his scouts join Tomlin and his assistants in Mobile, Ala., for the Senior Bowl.

BlitzburghRockCity
01-20-2008, 04:41 PM
If the Steelers sign any free agents, they’ll likely land one or two players “who are more salary-cap friendly,” Colbert said.

I just love that way of thinking, nevermind the fact that FA is there right in front of you and you have some money to spend..but NNOOOO, we're going to let big time players pass us by that could help us now while we draft young players who can develop. Im really grow tired of Colbert's drafting and it's evident that he's as much of the problem as Cowher was during the last 15 years. How many day 2 draft picks contributed on our team 2007? Not near enough; if it wasn't for Sep playing well there really wouldn't have been any to speak of.

steelcityrockers
01-20-2008, 05:05 PM
Willie Colon
Larry Foote
Brett Keisel
Aaron Smith
Ike Taylor
Deshea Townsend
Willie was an UDFA
As was Carey Davis (though not originally signed by us. Colts I think)
Thats a few second day guys that contributed.

Mike Tomlin
01-20-2008, 06:32 PM
Jones is a beast of a corner, and a hell of a returner....i'd take him, if it doenst work out, let him go, im not saying give him a huge multi-year deal, but damn someone is gonna give him a chance
I think it would work out great for Pacman and the team, if something happens cut him.

BlitzburghRockCity
01-20-2008, 10:40 PM
Willie Colon
Larry Foote
Brett Keisel
Aaron Smith
Ike Taylor
Deshea Townsend
Willie was an UDFA
As was Carey Davis (though not originally signed by us. Colts I think)
Thats a few second day guys that contributed.

I was referring to day 2 draftees that were taken in the 2007 draft.

Stairwayto7
01-21-2008, 06:53 AM
I would love if we got Pacman for the obvious reasons. If we waited until he was cut then signed him to an incentive laden one-year deal with an option for a few more years. However, being sane I know that this would never be done.

Never ever! The Rooneys would never! As you pointed out, never!

steelcityrockers
01-21-2008, 12:13 PM
I was referring to day 2 draftees that were taken in the 2007 draft.


Sep was good, had a few shanks but overall was OK
William Gay was good on Special Teams.
I have no idea what happened to that guard we drafted.
McBean has raw potential, but this year he did nothing.
Same with Dallas Baker
I think that was it....