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Troyisabeast_43
12-30-2007, 08:31 PM
All of the naysayers have been screaming all week that we should start Ben and get our first string ready. Well I think its a bunch of ****. It's late in the season and San Diego has the third seed locked up ( I know they 'could have lost' to the Raiders HAHA.

We had some injuries in the Ravens game, hopefully nothing serious, but here are the positives.

1. Ben got much needed rest. Ben is having an MVP year but his body has taken an incredible beating. On a rainy cold day like today in Baltimore he would have been smacked at least a few times. Instaed, he's ready TOMORROW to practice if need be. A sore body this late in the season is NOT what Ben needs.

2. Charlie got much needed playing time. Charlie Batch is a very good backup, but, because of our inconsistent play this year, he has had how many snaps against opponents? I read only 5 all season! Today he had an entire game. There is no substitute for that to getting your timing down. I remember one short play where he threw just a little behind Cedric Wilson on a third down play. By having that happen today it might help if he is needed in the playoffs.

2. Hines got some more rest. Face it folks, Hines Ward is getting older in football chronology (he is very physical). A week off will also help him heal and hopefully be sharp against Jacksonville.

3. Troy got to rest. Troy P has really been dinged a lot this year. Again a week off this late in the season will help.

4. Some backup players got a lot of valuable playing time and our coaches, hopefully, found out somethings (Willie Reid is NOT a kickoff return man. PERIOD!). Better to learn that this week than next week.

Im sure after this performance today nobody will pick us next week against the awesome Jaguars. Maybe the Steelers shouldnt even show up next week either since the Jags are so much superior to the Steelers. This Steelers team will be ready and will give it their best shot I believe in front of this home crowd here next Saturday night.

NOW beat the JAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Black@Gold Forever32
12-30-2007, 08:36 PM
I agree Ben should have sat out today...I never thought for a minute he should play this week...lol I also said the Chargers would win and they did....So I knew playing for the 3rd seed was useless...lol

Agree with Hines getting rest also.....It wouldn't have mattered if Troy played today or not...He hasn't done crap at all this year...lol

I'm just glad they have one more game and I will be watching and rooting my *** off for the team to beat the Jags...

BlitzburghRockCity
12-30-2007, 08:42 PM
If Ben were not hurt and the team was mostly healthy then Tomlin should have started Ben and the others to atleast get them some reps and keep them in rhythmn but given the circumstances with all the players being hurt it was the right call to sit them for next week.

I was calling for the starters to play this week if they were healthy enough to go but since we were so banged up Tomlin had no choice but to rest them and not risk further injury.

It took the backups 3 1/2 quarters to get in gear but they did start to make plays in the 4th quarter so there were signs of life on the team but it did take too long and was too little too late...

TampaSteelGirl
12-30-2007, 08:59 PM
I didn't think Ben or Hines should have played today my point being the Ravens wanted to win this game bad for pride reasons and they are a physcial football team. They were mad because we embarrassed them and the way Hines was blocking that Monday night. They were planning on playing a very physical football game and I hate Suggs because he is always knocking Ben around every game. I think Tomlin did the right thing.

My concern is our Defense...The missed tackles are ridiculous! I don't understand how we went from the #1 Defense in the NFL to a bunch of buffoons! It's acutally quite embarrassing! Kick return team is what it is..horrible and the missed tackles there are awful too. Willie Reid is horrible and hopefully will never be put back in there again.

I just pray that we decide to become a different team in the playoffs, personally i'm nevous about us playing Jacksonville again. Todays game just seems as no one wanted to play and it's making me sick! there needs to be some serious work to be done to get far in the playoffs and unfortunately we have one of the toughest roads to get to SB this year! Jacksonville and then Patriots! NFC has it so good! Ben needed this rest badly so I hope our O line steps up and helps him stay injury free for our playoffs!!
GO STEELERS!!! :tt02::tt02::tt02::tt02::tt02::tt02:

Troyisabeast_43
12-30-2007, 09:01 PM
If Ben were not hurt and the team was mostly healthy then Tomlin should have started Ben and the others to atleast get them some reps and keep them in rhythmn but given the circumstances with all the players being hurt it was the right call to sit them for next week.

I was calling for the starters to play this week if they were healthy enough to go but since we were so banged up Tomlin had no choice but to rest them and not risk further injury.

It took the backups 3 1/2 quarters to get in gear but they did start to make plays in the 4th quarter so there were signs of life on the team but it did take too long and was too little too late...

If anything hopefully that strong 4th quarter we had and the comeback we made will carry over and give us some momentum for the game Saturday night now. The Steelers are going to need to play a lot better then the last meeting with the Jags on all sides of the ball if they are to have any chance of winning this game its real simple. Any sort of flat start or lackluster play in this game Saturday night will lead to things getting very ugly.

BlitzburghRockCity
12-30-2007, 09:03 PM
You're exactly right, this team needs to do some soul searching right now and get back to playing tough defense because the Jags will maul us again if we don't. If we don't start out fast and get on them early it will be a long day so it would behoove us to strike early and often and make them 1 dimensional. The Jags are a hot team right now and running the ball extremely hard but they are not a quick strike, come from behind team so we need to jump out on them and take them out of their comfort zone.

Black@Gold Forever32
12-30-2007, 09:06 PM
The Steelers need to throw the ball early and often against the Jags......Try to take their running game away...

Troyisabeast_43
12-30-2007, 09:23 PM
The Steelers need to throw the ball early and often against the Jags......Try to take their running game away...

Jacksonville is not that much more different than Tennessee. Not that much more different than Cleveland. All three have running backs that can run on us in the snow. All have a pretty good QB. Each has their stable of WR(s) to choose from.

I like having Jacksonville because we won't play them soft and we can't say we don't know what to expect from them. You know they are going to run Taylor a lot and you know that their QB can manage a game. No excuses to not be prepared for this game.

Black@Gold Forever32
12-30-2007, 09:27 PM
Jacksonville is not that much more different than Tennessee. Not that much more different than Cleveland. All three have running backs that can run on us in the snow. All have a pretty good QB. Each has their stable of WR(s) to choose from.

I like having Jacksonville because we won't play them soft and we can't say we don't know what to expect from them. You know they are going to run Taylor a lot and you know that their QB can manage a game. No excuses to not be prepared for this game.

I just don't think this defense can stop their running game right now...Best solution come out throwing the ball...build a lead and try to take their running game away....The Steelers need to strike early and get a double digit lead...Put the Jags in panic mode and maybe Garrard throws some bad balls...lol

BlitzburghRockCity
12-30-2007, 09:33 PM
Jacksonville is not that much more different than Tennessee. Not that much more different than Cleveland. All three have running backs that can run on us in the snow. All have a pretty good QB. Each has their stable of WR(s) to choose from.

I like having Jacksonville because we won't play them soft and we can't say we don't know what to expect from them. You know they are going to run Taylor a lot and you know that their QB can manage a game. No excuses to not be prepared for this game.

True, but we knew what to expect from them the last time. It's no secret what the Jags do, they've done it better than anyone else this year. They run the ball right at you regardless of who you are and dare you to step up and try to stop them.

The Jags are what we used to be in that way, we used to be a run first offense that smashed you in the mouth and now we are more of a quick strike offense with a running game that gets set up by the pass. It's a different philosophy on offense now from what it used to be. That difference has served us well many times this year so it can work. It works for the Pats and Colts and it can work for us but if our OL doesn't establish the line and open holes for Najeh as well as the defense literally selling out to stop the run at all costs it's going to be a long day.

The Jags are not a quick strike team and they don't do well coming from behind so we need to get up on them early in this game.

If you can't run and stop the run in the postseason you don't go anywhere but home.

Steelerlyn
12-30-2007, 11:42 PM
So then you are saying that the only reason Tomlin sat Ben, Hines and the others is because they were hurt? Or was it because he didn't want them to get hurt? Or both.

The Patriots all played in their starting positions, was that because they were not hurt?

Please explain and thanks.

TampaSteelGirl
12-31-2007, 09:59 AM
So then you are saying that the only reason Tomlin sat Ben, Hines and the others is because they were hurt? Or was it because he didn't want them to get hurt? Or both.

The Patriots all played in their starting positions, was that because they were not hurt?

Please explain and thanks.

I think they sat Ben and Hines out to keep them from receiving injuries and to rest them for the playoffs..smart move. THey hurt Ben every game and after the hard blocks Hines put on them the previous game, they were gunning to hurt him back.

As for the Pats, they played their starters becuase they deserved to make history. They may have won that game without their starters but their starters deserved to play and win that game and make history. At least that's what I think. I think that since they played as well as they did all year they deserved to play and make history playing, not sitting on the bench. That's just my opinion. :greengrin:

Stlrs4Life
12-31-2007, 10:29 AM
Steelers escape finale with health, hopes intact
By Mike Prisuta
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Monday, December 31, 2007

BALTIMORE
The game meant so much to Mike Tomlin -- or, perhaps, Tomlin wanted his players to think it did -- that the Steelers' head coach could be spotted late Sunday afternoon at M&T Bank Stadium challenging a kickoff return that had been downed and running the sideline, gesturing "Steelers ball" after what he thought had been a fumble.

In neither instance did Tomlin get what he was looking for from the officials.

Assuming Max Starks' sprained knee won't prevent him from playing against Jacksonville in the playoffs Saturday night -- Tomlin initially said Starks "hopefully" would be "OK" -- the Steelers at least got what they needed from their regular-season finale against the Baltimore Ravens.

Their 27-21 setback included a little adversity, a little intensity and, hopefully, enough ebb and flow to maintain whatever edge the Steelers had regained Dec. 20 by beating St. Louis.
Getting away as healthy as possible was paramount, which explained why Hines Ward and Troy Polamalu didn't dress and Ben Roethlisberger never left the sideline.

Beyond that, Tomlin apparently wanted his team to compete no matter who was being asked to do the competing.

That was no small order, given the understanding that it was going to take Oakland beating San Diego for the Ravens' game to alter the Steelers' playoff position. The Raiders, of course, didn't.

"You might feel a little something at the beginning of the game where you think everybody knows this game doesn't mean anything," said cornerback Deshea Townsend, who started but was pulled early. "But as the game goes along, you see how professional, you see how pride sets in and guys realize you want to win and they start to do things right.

"That says a lot about the character of our team."

The character of Tomlin's Steelers is such that they nearly rallied from a 20-point, fourth-quarter deficit despite a persistent rain and nothing to gain.

Their preparation for the Ravens was such that defensive end Brett Keisel admitted afterward to still not knowing who No. 34 in purple was (for the record, it was running back Cory Ross; your intrepid columnist didn't know either prior to kickoff).

There will be no such lapses of information against Jacksonville.

And, for what it's worth, the Jaguars won't exactly come in on a roll, either.

Not after getting whipped, 42-28, by Houston.

Jacksonville rested seven starters, including quarterback David Garrard.

The Jaguars could have played everybody to the bitter end, as could the Steelers, and the outcome still wouldn't have mattered.

Not in the big picture.

"The year we were 15-1 everybody said we were steamrolling," linebacker Clark Haggans said. "We get to the AFC Championship Game, lose that and at the end of the year all we had to show for it was a T-shirt. We win the Super Bowl one year, we didn't even win our division, but we got some Super Bowl XL rings.

"The momentum we get is the momentum we're going to create out on the practice field on Wednesdays and Thursdays and Fridays. We need to transfer that to the game."

Nothing that happened in Baltimore, again, assuming Trai Essex isn't the left tackle, should prevent that from happening.

BlitzburghRockCity
12-31-2007, 10:38 AM
"You might feel a little something at the beginning of the game where you think everybody knows this game doesn't mean anything," said cornerback Deshea Townsend, who started but was pulled early. "But as the game goes along, you see how professional, you see how pride sets in and guys realize you want to win and they start to do things right.

That is the concern here and the holdover Cowher mentality and perhaps even alittle bit of human nature coming into play. Deshea and this team should know better than to think this game didn't mean anything. We still had a 3 seed on the line at the outset of the game but regardless it wasn't like we didn't have other things to play for..like kicking a division rivals ***, sweeping the division, and heading into the postseason on a 2 game win streak. That's what has to change, the players taking what the coaches say to heart and not just showing up to the game and leaving their minds back in the hotel room.

If Starks doesn't play this week are in a world of trouble, the OL is bad enough as it is but with 2 Tackles out having to play Essex who has little experience it could be ugly. That will mean more max protect schemes for Ben and less targets to throw too.