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Troyisabeast_43
12-18-2007, 06:18 PM
Or the scrutiny and the amount of heat he is going to take from the media and especially the fans will be Tomlin's worst nightmare. Right now the way things set up it is not impossible for the Steelers to miss the playoffs. First off, a win this week means nothing pretty much unless the Browns and Titans lose this week the Steelers will not clinch ****, so as far as this week goes in terms of clinching a playoff birth the Steelers do not control their own destiny. If the Browns and Titans do win out and the Steelers win in St Louis and lose in Baltimore they will miss the playoffs. Now I know that is a long shot and it will take a loss by the Steelers against a pathetic Baltimore team to do so but its not like you sit there and say omg that is impossible and wont happen at all that is not the case here at all. The Browns finish up with the Bengals on the road and the Niners at home two teams they can definitely beat and probably should beat. So the odds of them winning out are a lot better then them losing out if push comes to shove. As for the Titans they need to beat the Jets in Tennessee this week which probably will happen, and they also need to beat the Colts in Indy. Now I know many of you are probably thinking the Titans have no shot to beat the Colts in Indy. Well guess what they just might because the Colts this past weekend already wrapped up a first round bye and are going to have absolutely nothing to play for at all that last week. That could mean Peyton Manning sitting out the majority of that game and putting Jim Sorgi in for him,and Addai and Wayne sitting out as well along with a lot of the Colts D which is banged up. Now Tennessee normally plays Indy tough no matter who is playing, but if you factor in that the Colts might not play their starters the whole game combined with the fact the Titans are going to be desperate and do anything to win that game then the odds very much favor the Titans to win that game by a fluke or just by playing over their heads knowing their fighting for their playoff lives.

So the bottom line is the Steelers had BETTER WIN these last 2 games to assure themselves that this doesnot indeed happen. And the way the Steelers have played on the road this year losing to a bad Jets team and in Denver and Arizona nothing is for sure at all. Keep in mind also Baltimore always plays the Steelers tough in Baltimore no matter how good they are, and they are going to want payback for that Monday night *** whooping they got here back in November. And also factor in that if Baltimore loses to us that last week they would have finished the year on a 10 game losing streak and going 0-6 within the AFC North both of those are very tough to do and you can bet the Ravens are not going to want to do neither of them.

So Ill finish up by saying one more time Mike Tomlin had better have this team focused and ready to go these last 2 weeks and prepared to play and win. Because if he would dare miss the playoffs and go from 9-3 and first place to choking away a wildcard spot, his credibility from here on out and as long as he coaches this Steelers team will be shot and he is going to take a ton of heat from the fanbase here. They will be his worst enemy. It will also be a bad sign to come for the next few years under Tomlin's guidance because if he collapses like this his first year under the job then what does that mean for years to come under him?? I dont think it will happen, but Im just saying if it does Mike Tomlin better go crawl under a rock with the rest of this sub par coaching staff because they are going to have a rain of **** put on them like they have never seen before.

BlitzburghRockCity
12-18-2007, 06:24 PM
I'm sure glad we play on Thursday this week because I can't take much more of this playoff talk without seeing the guys play and hopefully get a win to get back on track headed into the post season.

We've analyzed every scenario 9 ways to Sunday and now it's time for this team to put up or shut up, plain and simple.

Tomlin will get media scrutiny after this year is over no matter how the outcome is unless we won the Super Bowl and even then he'd still get over analyzed. He's the 3rd Steeler coach following 2 legends and he inherited a team full of SB caliber players so the pressure has been on him since day 1.

Troyisabeast_43
12-18-2007, 06:32 PM
Yea very true TG but if the Steelers were to win this week and lose in Baltimore and the Browns and Titans win out like I said is not completely impossible based on all the circumstances his credibility will be down the shitter. I dont think he is going to face as many criticism if he wins the division, wins a home playoff game and then loses to Indy or the Pats in the divisional round like most people think. At this point I will consider that a successful season for a first year head coach considering everybody picked Baltimore and Cincy to win this division at the start of the year. On the other hand, if Tomlin misses the playoffs and the team collapses he is going to look like a total **** and a lot of fans are going to turn against him in a major way. There is a lot of pressure on Mike Tomlin to win these last two games in particular that game in Baltimore if the Steelers happen not to clinch a playoff spot or the division this week. He better have a sense of urgency and get the problems on this team fixed and fixed NOW.

yinzer
12-18-2007, 06:53 PM
Yea very true TG but if the Steelers were to win this week and lose in Baltimore and the Browns and Titans win out like I said is not completely impossible based on all the circumstances his credibility will be down the shiatter. I dont think he is going to face as many criticism if he wins the division, wins a home playoff game and then loses to Indy or the Pats in the divisional round like most people think. At this point I will consider that a successful season for a first year head coach considering everybody picked Baltimore and Cincy to win this division at the start of the year. On the other hand, if Tomlin misses the playoffs and the team collapses he is going to look like a total shiat and a lot of fans are going to turn against him in a major way. There is a lot of pressure on Mike Tomlin to win these last two games in particular that game in Baltimore if the Steelers happen not to clinch a playoff spot or the division this week. He better have a sense of urgency and get the problems on this team fixed and fixed NOW.

tomlin has completely dropped the ball this season. no more talk about the offense not executing, no more talk about lebeau changing to the tampa/2, no more talk about bruce arians' shiatty play calling. it's tomlin's job to lay down the law when things aren't up to par. i'm sure he might feel apprehensive to open his mouth because it's his first year as head coach but enough is enough! i just hope he's lit a fire under the coaches' butts since sunday and told them to get their head out of their asses!

BlitzburghRockCity
12-18-2007, 07:32 PM
If this team needs any motivation to get out of this funk they can look no further than the mirror's in the locker room. They dug this hole for themselves when they had every opportunity to lock up the division weeks ago so now it's up to them to dig themselves out and go into the playoffs on a winning note. It's all about how bad this team wants it. If they play their game they can beat St. Louis and Baltimore easily but if they don't they will be in trouble and Tomlin will see an uttle collapse unfold right in front of his very eyes.

Black@Gold Forever32
12-18-2007, 07:37 PM
The team probably would be in the play-offs already if God himself oh I mean Troy Polamalu ever made a game changing play this year.....Even if the Steelers miss the play-offs I'm willing to give Tomlin a pass...He is a rookie HC.....As for Troy there is no excuse for his sorry tail anymore.....

Troyisabeast_43
12-18-2007, 07:52 PM
Gimmie a break dude havent we already been down this road before here with you. How about if the god damn line like piece of **** Sean Mahan could actually block for Ben and prevent him from getting sacked almost 40 times this year and the horrific play of the special teams, and the entire defense 4 different times this year in the Zona,Denver,Jets,and Jags game where they could have gotten stops and they didnt do it. Its not just Troy on the D its the whole D as a unit that has sucked *** when it really matters.

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Gimmie a break dude havent we already been down this road before here with you. How about if the god damn line like piece of shiat Sean Mahan could actually block for Ben and prevent him from getting sacked almost 40 times this year and the horrific play of the special teams, and the entire defense 4 different times this year in the Zona,Denver,Jets,and Jags game where they could have gotten stops and they didnt do it. Its not just Troy on the D its the whole D as a unit that has sucked *** when it really matters.

Yes he will TG and thats exactly my point his credibility for the rest of his tenure here as Steelers coach will be completely shot and a lot of the fan base will turn on him very quickly. Tomlin has a ton of pressure on him right now to make the playoffs a TON.

Black@Gold Forever32
12-18-2007, 07:56 PM
Gimmie a break dude havent we already been down this road before here with you. How about if the god damn line like piece of shiat Sean Mahan could actually block for Ben and prevent him from getting sacked almost 40 times this year and the horrific play of the special teams, and the entire defense 4 different times this year in the Zona,Denver,Jets,and Jags game where they could have gotten stops and they didnt do it. Its not just Troy on the D its the whole D as a unit that has sucked *** when it really matters.

The whole D has sucked the last two weeks.....I have posted about the D and how bad they have sucked two weeks in a row...lol But Troy has sucked all year...Keep pissing all over yourself when Troy makes his 5 tackles a game which he misses about that many anymore a game also....The fact is clear that Troy isn't the same player he was in 04 and 05....I can admit it.....

As for the Oline...Again many times I have posted on the Oline and how bad they suck.....the kick coverage units suck every year...I'm just use to that by now...

Its just really funny how some of you homers defend Troy...:lol: What it is it 20 games now since Troy's last INT?...lol Yea he is so ****ing great....While Ed Reed has his usual 6 for the Ravens....I use to think Troy was right behind Reed...Now Troy would be lucky to crack the top five best S in the NFL.... Well with Sean Taylor's tragic murder....He has a shot to regain top five status next year....I doubt he will.....

Troy is spiritual zen master wimp anymore...If the Steelers want to win the Super Bowl in the near future they will need the Troy of 04 and 05...

yinzer
12-18-2007, 08:08 PM
troy has to still be feeling the effects of his injury. i'm not making excuses but it's hard to see him not himself. something is wrong with the entire organization. it needs a good spring cleaning.

BlitzburghRockCity
12-18-2007, 08:09 PM
I don't think Tomlin's credibility will be in question after this season really. I mean if anything I think Cowhers credibility will diminish even more because the fans will realize that this team willed it's way to a super bowl but after that they haven't been the same and things have changed. More of a house cleaning may be in order depending on how the rest of the season shakes out but we'll see.

Troyisabeast_43
12-18-2007, 08:16 PM
Troy has had a bad year I wont deny that he has not played as well as he has in the past and has been injured way too much, but you act like its the only reason why the team is struggling and why they havent clinched the playoffs. This team has many many problems and holes and gaps to fill in the next few seasons, and even though Troy Polamalu is not having the same type of year he had back in 04 and 05 he ranks very very low right now on the list of problems this team has going into next year.

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This front office and Tomlin and this staff had better worry about finding a replacement for Alan Faneca in free agency or the draft for next year for years to come, and fixing the potholes in that pathetic offensive line, and getting a number 3 wide receiver who can catch the ball and not drop it 5,000 times a season like Nate Washington before they even worry about how Troy is performing on the field.

BlitzburghRockCity
12-18-2007, 08:16 PM
I have little doubt Troy will return next year as the Troy we're used to seeing. Troy is a phenomenal athlete and there's a reason we drafted him #1 and traded up to get him. He'll return to form in 05, :markit:

Black@Gold Forever32
12-18-2007, 08:24 PM
I have little doubt Troy will return next year as the Troy we're used to seeing. Troy is a phenomenal athlete and there's a reason we drafted him #1 and traded up to get him. He'll return to form in 05, :markit:

I hope so Top....We need him big time...I still think he has the talent to be great....Something isn't right...I don't know what it is....

BlitzburghRockCity
12-18-2007, 08:27 PM
All I can honestly think of is that the injuries he's had must have just really thrown him off this year. I mean he doesn't seem like the type to take his big contract and just fall apart like many players do. He's always been committed to the team and gave 100 percent. Whatever he's doing different this year he needs to file it away as what NOT to do in the future :lol:

BlacknGold Bleeder
12-18-2007, 08:44 PM
It's ridiculous to say that Tomlin's credibility goes down the tubes for 1 season, it barely deserves a response.This team was not picked by anyone to finish first on our division, except by some of the people on here. The team has a lot of issues that need addressed, bottom line. Starters at some position and depth guys at others. The team is not that far off but it is also not quite ready for the Super Bowl either...:2cents:

Iron City South
12-18-2007, 08:44 PM
Troy doesn't play well as a feather-weight ....

DIESELMAN
12-18-2007, 08:55 PM
Or the scrutiny and the amount of heat he is going to take from the media and especially the fans will be Tomlin's worst nightmare.

Tomlin can yell, screaM, kick the players asses...**** it he could even light a firecracker up everyones *** before each snap but ultimately its up to the players to execUte and play football. This is Tomlin's first year (I'm getting so tired repeating this crap) no way he catches as much BS as you say he will.

Iron City South
12-18-2007, 09:27 PM
Tomlin should be judged after his 3rd year .... PERIOD. Anything sooner is not only unfair, it's irresponsible.

yinzer
12-18-2007, 09:29 PM
Tomlin can yell, screaM, kick the players asses...**** it he could even light a firecracker up everyones *** before each snap but ultimately its up to the players to execUte and play football. This is Tomlin's first year (I'm getting so tired repeating this crap) no way he catches as much BS as you say he will.

ya, i don't like when people want tomlin to act like cowher. tony dungy doesn't jump around and spit in his players faces. the colts still managed to get a ring last season without a bill cowheresque coach.

portcityblackandgold
12-19-2007, 08:36 AM
I wondered when it would happen. Even though the team's play is ultimately the head coach's responsibility. In his defense we lost to an undefeated team and a team we lose to annually. How many victories did Cowher have against New England and Jacksonville versus defeats? Its not fair to compare the two. The team is not playing well for the last two weeks. My feelings are still the same. I'd rather we play bad now than lose in January.

memphissteelergirl
12-19-2007, 03:19 PM
Tomlin should be judged after his 3rd year .... PERIOD. Anything sooner is not only unfair, it's irresponsible.


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Ambridge
12-19-2007, 04:50 PM
Tomlin should be judged after his 3rd year .... PERIOD. Anything sooner is not only unfair, it's irresponsible.

I don't necessarily agree with that.

It would have been one thing to have started slow out of the gates and to have gradually gotten better over the season but this team came out and played pretty well early on(even with a favorable schedule)and have slowly gone downhill ever since.

Every time this team got challenged and punched in the face by the other team....starting with Arizona, Denver and the Jets the Steelers response was to "Waffle" over and show no heart.

Even though it's only Tomlin's first year I don't think this late season fiasco bodes well for him and has to raise some eyebrows as to his leadership and motivational skills. In other words he shouldn't get a "Totally Free Pass" due to lack of experience.

Good/Great coaches make sure players play up to their ability and don't make reapeated mistakes and perform at a high level all the time. I just don't see Tomlin getting the very best out this team regardless of the talent level.

Fire Tomlin????......NO!! but he's definatley going have a larger group of doubters second guessing whether he was the right person for the job.

I know I'm having my doubts.

Black@Gold Forever32
12-19-2007, 05:16 PM
I don't necessarily agree with that.

It would have been one thing to have started slow out of the gates and to have gradually gotten better over the season but this team came out and played pretty well early on(even with a favorable schedule)and have slowly gone downhill ever since.

Every time this team got challenged and punched in the face by the other team....starting with Arizona, Denver and the Jets the Steelers response was to "Waffle" over and show no heart.

Even though it's only Tomlin's first year I don't think this late season fiasco bodes well for him and has to raise some eyebrows as to his leadership and motivational skills. In other words he shouldn't get a "Totally Free Pass" due to lack of experience.

Good/Great coaches make sure players play up to their ability and don't make reapeated mistakes and perform at a high level all the time. I just don't see Tomlin getting the very best out this team regardless of the talent level.

Fire Tomlin????......NO!! but he's definatley going have a larger group of doubters second guessing whether he was the right person for the job.

I know I'm having my doubts.

Nice post....I agree with you on some of your points....I agree this team as a whole hasn't responded to Coach Tomlin...Some individuals have but as a whole team....no.....I just wonder how many players are still wishing Cowher was there and just don't buy into Tomlin's message?.....

As this team moves on in the future and this team becomes more and more Mike Tomlin's team then I'm sure we will see better results....Still 9-5 isn't horrible....I just don't like how this team has looked since the Jets loss....That is troublesome....

BlitzburghRockCity
12-20-2007, 06:38 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07354/843165-66.stm


Thursday, December 20, 2007
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Deshea Townsend won't long forget a very long day on a football field. The cornerback saw his once-proud defense shredded as the opposition moved through the Steelers at will.

Last Sunday against Jacksonville? The previous week in New England?

No, those require only a short memory by Townsend and the Steelers' somehow-still No. 1 defense. The spanking he has not forgotten is the one Marc Bulger and the St. Louis Rams put on his defense four years ago in Heinz Field.

Bulger, who grew up in Greenfield and played at Central Catholic High School and West Virginia, took the Steelers' defense to school that day in 2003. He completed 22 of 37 for 375 yards in a 33-21 St. Louis victory, and his pinpoint passing is what Townsend remembers most about it.

"He had a great game. Those guys put up some big numbers."

Torry Holt, who caught seven of Bulger's passes for 174 yards that day, still leads the Rams today with 83 receptions for 1,055 yards. His partner, Isaac Bruce, has Hall of Fame-type numbers -- 933 receptions, or more than 10 current receivers whose busts reside in Canton.

Bruce and Holt have combined for 10 touchdowns and, while the Rams are no longer the Greatest Show on Turf, along with brutish back Steven Jackson (6 feet 2, 231 pounds), they can give the Steelers' beleaguered defense every bit as much trouble tonight as did the Jaguars and Patriots the past two weeks. Only the Rams can do it either through the air or behind Jackson, their first-round pick in 2004.

Jackson has 862 yards rushing, even though he missed four games with a groin injury and three quarters of another with back spasms. He had his best game of the season Sunday, rushing for 143 yards and a 6.0 average against Green Bay.

The Steelers, as always, will try to stop the run first, something they could not do at all Sunday against Jacksonville. Yet, playing the run won't be good enough against a team that can throw Bulger, Holt and Bruce at you as well.

"Those guys are really on the same page when they're out there running their routes," Townsend said. "You can tell in the way they run them. A lot of times before they even come out of their cut, the ball is in the air."

Bulger, picked ahead of Tom Brady in the same sixth round of the 2000 draft by New Orleans, is not having the kind of season that made him into a Pro Bowl quarterback, winning that game's MVP in 2004. His passer rating was above 90 in four of his previous five years as the Rams' starter. Last season, he threw for 4,301 yards with 24 touchdowns and only eight interceptions.

His line devastated by injuries, Bulger has thrown more interceptions than touchdowns for the first time in his NFL career, 11-7. And his passer rating stands at 71.1. He missed two games with a concussion before he returned to play Sunday against Green Bay.

Two of the game's best offensive linemen, tackle Orlando Pace and Todd Steussie disappeared early. Pace was placed on injured reserve and Steussie was released after foot surgery. He re-signed last month and will make his fifth start at right guard tonight.

"It's been a rough year, just because we lost Orlando and Steussie," Bulger said. "We lost four and five guys that played a lot of time for us on the line. I think three of our guys that lined up last week on our line were in the Arizona Cardinals' training camp and didn't make it through. It's been tough."

The injuries in their line, the injury to Jackson, and banged up receivers helped ruin the season for St. Louis, which lost its first eight games.

"It has been tough to get continuity," said Bulger, who has been sacked 33 times. "When you don't have a running game, they are obviously going to focus on the pass and pass rush, so it's been not only tough on me but tough on the line too because they are put in a tough situation."

But the Rams have won three of the past six and are as healthy as they have been all season as they try to help ruin one for the Steelers tonight.

Even the Steelers' offensive game plan will take into account the Rams' high-scoring potential on offense.

"Oh, yeah, there's no doubt," Steelers coordinator Bruce Arians said. "When you play an explosive offensive football team, you play to score more points. You might take a few more chances here or there rather than [playing] a team you think your defense might really shut down."

The rams are having all the same problems we are and maybe even more so this game is going to be about who can take advantage of the other teams mistakes, who can make the least mistakes, who can get to the QB to disrupt the rhythm of the other team...basically everything it takes to stop any team on any given week but this week it's all about 2 teams struggling and who wants to break out of their funk the most. We have more to play for of course and that should be all the motivation we need.

DIESELMAN
12-20-2007, 08:38 AM
The Steelers also expect to give rookie LaMarr Woodley more playing time at left outside linebacker in place of the banged-up Clark Haggans. Max Starks will start at left tackle in place of the injured Marvel Smith. Left cornerback Ike Taylor has a sprained knee and could be replaced by Bryant McFadden, who would switch sides with DeShea Townsends.

portcityblackandgold
12-20-2007, 09:35 AM
The defense has taken a whoopin for the last four weeks. Its time to put some fresh bodies on the field and deliver some punishment. This defense doesnt have a bad attitude, a chip on its shoulder or the nasty disposition a Steeler defense needs. Instead we get a mouthy piece of toast. If they dont beat up on the Rams early and often, they will put up some points.

portcityblackandgold
12-20-2007, 09:44 AM
The coach can't give the team the attitude it needs to win. Thats up to the players. this team has lost its attitude and teams arent rolling over. When's the last time you seen a big hit on defense. THE STEELERS LACK ATTITUDE NOT APPITUDE.

Dee Mca
12-20-2007, 09:48 AM
I'd rather see Ben and the offense on the field more tonight then the defense. Long drives lots of running plays and short passes. Don't give the Rams time for their big plays.

JensK
12-20-2007, 10:41 AM
You guys make it sound like Steelers had the worst season ever :P
Tomlin have, imo, done a fairly decent job this year. Its hes first season in the NFL, and Steelers isnt exactly the most easy place to start. We are used to great coaches, who will take us to SB sooner or later.

It Appears that it all comes down to: If the Steelers make the play-offs Tomlin had a good season, if we don't Tomlin failed. I believe, that what wwe will see next year is a really great coach. He have gotten a lot of experiance from this first season.. Both good and bad! We have played amazing sometimes, and we have played aweful sometimes.

The Jets game did indeed hurt the Steelers, especially the attitude, but those are the things that a brand new coach may have some troubles with the first few years... have faith guys! :p

yinzer
12-20-2007, 11:15 AM
i just read that there's a possibility that haggans might play. is this team that stupid to start a hurt player for the second week in a row??!!!!! we all saw what happened last week with the "injured" marvel smith. we don't need old ***, injured, non-productive clark haggans out there today! shiat will hit the fan in my house if they start haggans!

TampaSteelGirl
12-20-2007, 12:38 PM
I'd rather see Ben and the offense on the field more tonight then the defense. Long drives lots of running plays and short passes. Don't give the Rams time for their big plays.

Definately the short passes down the field. We can do that well! They need to be patient and just take their time to get in for the 6! :tt02:

black an gold 4 life
12-20-2007, 02:45 PM
honestly i think tomlin worked them 2 hard this year, it's shows n the beginning of the year they were getting at the q.b they were covering better, i just think they r tired they will either have 2 adjust or tomlin will have 2 tone it down n the preseason, they needed the work, an it made them better prepared 4 the 1st half of the season but they r winded even d-sep lol he's punting like chris gardoki lol,

BlitzburghRockCity
12-20-2007, 03:10 PM
Those performances by the defense the last 2 weeks are things I sure as hell hoped they learned from. You can't just blow them off as an apparition and be like "oh well we have to move on and forget about this"..they damn well better have watched those tapes a billion times and got more angry by the minute so they are pissed off and ready for revenge.

Bad games are a learning tool so I hope they took advantage of it.