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steelcitysfinestXL
12-13-2007, 02:28 PM
NO!! Not a BUST on the field, but a BRONZE BUST!!! In a season in where he has broke so many career records and surpassed not 1 but 2 HOF's... do you BELIEVE Hines Ward SHOULD get into Canton!!?!?!?!?

Koopa
12-13-2007, 03:26 PM
not sure about 1st ballot, but he's definitely a hall of famer.....and the super bowl mvp will help him more than his numbers

SteelerFan87
12-13-2007, 03:43 PM
Definitely not a 1st ballot. No way in hell he gets in that quick. But I do think he deserves it. He broke the records of 2 HOFers, he does have that SB MVP, and he is a great all around WR. His numbers aren't flashy enough for alot of the voters, but I think he should get some credit for, well, not quite revolutionizing the WR position, but re-revolutionizing it, being such a great blocker and being more than just a specialist.

ARKIESTEEL
12-13-2007, 03:58 PM
If guys like Chad Johnson and TO and the likes get in then Hines should be a sure thing

BlitzburghRockCity
12-13-2007, 05:12 PM
Yeah Hines will be a shoe in for the HOF when he is eligible. As far as a first ballot, I don't think he'll do that unless he finishes out his career with atleast 1 more SB and a couple more pro bowl appearances but nonetheless he'll get in, in time...

-4 time pro bowler
-Super bowl MVP
-Team MVP
-All time Steelers leader in TD catches
-By the end of the year he'll be the all time leader in yards as well.

Black@Gold Forever32
12-13-2007, 06:23 PM
Yes he should make it....Don't know about first ballot.....But I think he deserves to be in Canton, Ohio....He has never been on a pass happy team except for 2002 and 2003....When Tommy Gunn became the starting QB for the Steelers.....So that should be considered and plus his all around talents for the game.....

GoBenGo
12-13-2007, 06:47 PM
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Iron City South
12-13-2007, 07:27 PM
We'll have to wait and see what kind of numbers he has when he decides to hang up the cleats. If he were to retire tomorrow, my vote would be "NO" .... not even close.

BlitzburghRockCity
12-13-2007, 07:47 PM
How can you even say he wouldn't atleast deserve a shot at the HOF. He's got the team numbers, a super bowl MVP, team mvp, 4 pro bowls, he's a feared receiver in the game, a great success story coming from a 3rd round pick and ST player to a starting WR and breaking team records all over the place.

Will he ever have Jerry Rice numbers, no of course not, he's not in that type of offense but what he's done since he's been a Steeler is certainly worthy of a bid to the HOF, not necessarily a 1st round ballot yet by any means but it could easily happen. He'll easily pass 10,000 yds before his career is over and that's nothing to sneeze at considering the run oriented offense he's been in since he got here.

http://www.nfl.com/players/hinesward/profile?id=WAR179227

SteelerSal
12-13-2007, 08:03 PM
If Art Monk can't get in with these numbers;
Rec. Yards YPC TD's
940 12721 13.5 68

Then how will Hines, as of now get in with these numbers?
Rec. Yards YPC Td's
710 8651 12.2 64

I am a diehard fan like the rest of you, but, I think Ward will not go in first ballot and will have a hard time after that unless the HOF commitee has alot of Steeler fans on it.
Heck I would rather see LC Greenwood get in first before Hines and Bettis. IMO

PemPgh14
12-13-2007, 08:05 PM
Yes, not first ballot, though.

DIESELMAN
12-13-2007, 08:10 PM
There are only 18 WR's in the HOF, that right there shows how tough it is for a WR to get in. I have to agree with ICS if he was to retire now...NO and I have to agree with SteelerSal, there are other Steelers I would rather see in there first. We all love Hines for his attitude, his blocking and his gutsy playing but in reality, not that many WR's get in no matter how good they are.

K Train
12-13-2007, 08:30 PM
if you pass HOF wrs on that team....you make the HOF, hes a sure thing imo, it might not be until 5-10 years after hes eligible, but he'll get in eventually

BlitzburghRockCity
12-13-2007, 08:40 PM
I think LC deserves to get in as well, and of course Bettis will get in most likely in his first year of eligibility.

Getting in as a WR is definitely hard but even though it's hard the fact that he deserves it based on his performance is pretty hard to beat IMO.

Koopa
12-13-2007, 08:42 PM
how come the ppl that voted first ballot haven't posted in here?? train, where are those shades :lol:

DIESELMAN
12-13-2007, 08:42 PM
if you pass HOF wrs on that team....you make the HOF, hes a sure thing imo, it might not be until 5-10 years after hes eligible, but he'll get in eventually

You sayin if Hines passes HOFers that were on the Steelers, he'll get in? If that what your sayin, then Swann and Stallworth got in more on their SB wins and performances then on their stats alone.

K Train
12-13-2007, 08:50 PM
You sayin if Hines passes HOFers that were on the Steelers, he'll get in? If that what your sayin, then Swann and Stallworth got in more on their SB wins and performances then on their stats alone.

he will get in on his stats and probowls....but its his toughness that made him the face of the franchise, so he represents what everyone expect a "steeler" to represent....hes popular and productive...he'll get in imo

K Train
12-13-2007, 08:50 PM
how come the ppl that voted first ballot haven't posted in here?? train, where are those shades :lol:

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n45/K-Train89/FF_154265_s.jpg :lol:

MDSteel15
12-13-2007, 09:07 PM
If Art Monk can't get in with these numbers;
Rec. Yards YPC TD's
940 12721 13.5 68

Then how will Hines, as of now get in with these numbers?
Rec. Yards YPC Td's
710 8651 12.2 64



I'll have to agree with you. Monk is getting screwed so bad it's not even funny! A class act and a great player.

Iron City South
12-13-2007, 09:25 PM
How can you even say he wouldn't atleast deserve a shot at the HOF. He's got the team numbers, a super bowl MVP, team mvp, 4 pro bowls, he's a feared receiver in the game, a great success story coming from a 3rd round pick and ST player to a starting WR and breaking team records all over the place.


Hines may make the Great Hall ....located inside of Heinz Field, but not the HOF located in Canton. Pro Bowls mean nothing .... they're nothing but a mere popularity contest with the same voting concept of American Idol. There are no less than a dozen players each year that get in that "sham" of a football display that have no business being there.

Super Bowl MVP won't be enough .... nor will his numbers.


Great player, will go down as one of the Steelers all time greats, just not HOF material.

BlitzburghRockCity
12-13-2007, 09:59 PM
We'll just agree to disagree...the HOF is a popularity contest of sorts too because if it wasn't then players like LC Greenwood would be in, so would other Steelers of the 70s and many other players in the league. His stats speak for themselves IMO and while he won't make a first ballot HOF unless he really goes nuts in the stat dept. it should still be enough to get him in after a few years of eligibility.

BringTheWoodley
12-14-2007, 09:57 AM
Hines better make it in.Anyone with any kind of football I.Q knows what kind of complete player he is.If someone like Irvin can get in with all the off the field trouble he has been in then someone like Hines better make it in.
The Hall of fame is for players that are supposed to be of good morale character as well as on field accomplishments.Hines Ward has been nothing but class since day one and has been a consistant productive player. I think anything less then a Canton spot would be a slap in the face for him and his fans.Besides, he still has some good football left in the tank to pad the numbers so i see no problem when his career is over, his ticket is punched.

....Everyone been checking out the so called experts picks this week?..majority is pickin Jville.Damn...did we fall off the map that fast???

K Train
12-14-2007, 12:39 PM
**** the experts.....jacksonville is the flavor of the month

AZSteelerfan
12-14-2007, 12:58 PM
[QUOTE=SteelerSal;168590]If Art Monk can't get in with these numbers;
Rec. Yards YPC TD's
940 12721 13.5 68

Then how will Hines, as of now get in with these numbers?
Rec. Yards YPC Td's
710 8651 12.2 64

In my own opinion I truely believe he will make the HOF. 4000 less yards, 230less Rec. and only 4 TDs behind plus he isnt retiring after this season so he still has time to up those yrds too. His performance + attitude will get him in fo sho.....

Hawk Believer
12-14-2007, 01:11 PM
Hines better make it in.Anyone with any kind of football I.Q knows what kind of complete player he is.If someone like Irvin can get in with all the off the field trouble he has been in then someone like Hines better make it in.
The Hall of fame is for players that are supposed to be of good morale character as well as on field accomplishments.Hines Ward has been nothing but class since day one and has been a consistant productive player.

I always thought that off the field issues, good or bad, were not supposed to be considered when NFL HOF voters considered candidates. Its one major distinction between the NFL and MLB HOF.

That was discussed a lot when Irvin was up. It seems that his off the field issues were considered. Otherwise, he would have been first ballot IMO. But I heard it took a lot of behind the sceneslobbying amonst the voters to remind them about the on the field only rule to get him in.

I don't know if that is right or wrong. It at least helps make the vote a bit more objective. But imagine if OJ hadn't been inducted before he murdered two people? By that criteria he would still have had to be a shoe in...

K Train
12-14-2007, 01:14 PM
I always thought that off the field issues, good or bad, were not supposed to be considered when NFL HOF voters considered candidates. Its one major distinction between the NFL and MLB HOF.

That was discussed a lot when Irvin was up. It seems that his off the field issues were considered. Otherwise, he would have been first ballot IMO. But I heard it took a lot of behind the sceneslobbying amonst the voters to remind them about the on the field only rule to get him in.

I don't know if that is right or wrong. It at least helps make the vote a bit more objective. But imagine if OJ hadn't been inducted before he murdered two people? By that criteria he would still have had to be a shoe in...

so ward y/n?

Hawk Believer
12-14-2007, 01:37 PM
I honestly need to look at his numbers in more detail. My off the cuff impression is that he is a guy who would be on the bubble. He definately doesn't have the name recognition that a lot of other recievers have these days. But the name recognition for wide outs is often more for antics than production. And that shouldn't make a difference amongst the voters who are people who should know game well.

I like that he is a steadfast and quiet producer and wish the media promoted players like him more than recievers who seem to be influenced more by the Carrot Tops of the world than the Swanns and Largents. But I think he needs to produce well for a few more years and have another huge post season to make it. The Monk argument brought up in the thread makes me think he really has to shine brightly for a bit longer.

$teeler$guy
12-14-2007, 07:47 PM
he is not a first ballot but probably a hall of famer

BR7
12-15-2007, 09:47 AM
He gets in, eventually. But LC is more deserving. I think the HOF commity despises all the Steelers that are in from the glory years and that why LC is left out. Hines, yes.. not a first ballot and probably has to wait longer than LC.

Stairwayto7
12-16-2007, 12:10 PM
Hines does more than any wr ever. Its so much more than the stats show. Team leader, a fullback with a no.86 on. Plus a ring to boot!

BlitzburghRockCity
12-16-2007, 05:57 PM
Hines dropped some balls today, atleast 3 that I can recall, that is totally uncharacteristic of him.