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Iron City South
12-10-2007, 03:16 PM
Ok, don't take this the wrong way, by no means am I giving up on this season even though my gut instincts tell me we're not remotely close to being "big dance" material ....

but I can't help but start thinking about our needs for next year ... the "go forward" blueprint if you will that will start making this Tomlin's team.

The best news I have for everyone is that we have one of the best quarterbacks in the league- regardless of what anyone else thinks or tells you ........... that is the truth. Ben is a "gamer" and his style is Steeler football ... now get to work on his extension!

We need a fullback- Davis is a joke, and I'm assuming the FO thinks Kreider doesn't have anything left in the tank (even though he showed he's still 10 times the fullback Davis is).

We are set at tight end.

We need to draft a true #2 flanker (WR) who will be groomed to step into Wards job when he checks out in a few years - I'd love to get a quality WR sometime after the third round ....not sure it's going to happen though givin our OL needs. The Nate Washington experiment, seemingly a good idea at the time, is coming to a close... we need a better #3. If Willie Reid doesn't fit the system or is just a flat out "bust" at the pro level .... then we need to cut his stay short as well.

Offensive Line- Biggest need! 2 of our top 3 picks will be spent on the OL - IMO, we need a mauler at guard. No more of this finesse B.S. We need to upgrade the center and move Mahan over to guard where he is better served. We could also use an upgrade at Tackle. I do hope the FO gives Starks another look even though his pass-pro is substandard against quick/athletic DE's.


As far as the defense is concerned, let's pray Woodley and Timmons can fulfill their potential- we will need.

Mcbean needs to develop or Tomlin needs to find some suitable depth in the mid rounds for once on the DL. Eason and Kirsche have no business stepping on the field.

Ryan Clark, get healthy- we need you for depth.

And most importantly- Arians needs to be shown the door. Mr. Rooney, please lend him your time share ..... then break the news to him once he's there.

BlitzburghRockCity
12-10-2007, 03:26 PM
You touched on a lot of good points and I agree with your assessment for the most part.

-Given Kreiders injury we might be able to resign him for less money but I don't think he's in the Steelers plans anymore based on our new style offense. I agree Davis is worthless though.

-Depth at WR is paramount. Cedric is too expensive for his performance on the field, Nate should be the 4th WR at best and what in world happened to Willie Reid???

-McBean, maybe he'll develop but from what we saw last camp he showed no signs of being anything for us. I like Kirschke, I think he's a good veteran to have around and he's productive in doing his job. Our front 3 on the DL are fine; Hoke I'm ok with too but we do need some fresh blood on the DL and I don't think we're going to find it in the later rounds unless we get real lucky to have someone fall to us so we're going to have to bite the bullet at some point and draft higher, here.

Ryan Clark, we need him around most definitely. The dude could start at Safety on most teams but I hope we can keep him around because we are lacking big time and playing with fire being so thin at Safety.

**moved this to the war room forum since we're talking about the future and our needs** ;)

K Train
12-10-2007, 04:15 PM
if we want a fullback, we need a guy like laron mclain that the rats drafted last year...thats vicious blocking at its finest.

Ben will obviously be resigned and eventually ward will have to restructure his deal. Faneca is gone, Starks will stay i think...i dunno about a spot on the starting lineup, but i think hes quality enough to keep around. We need to draft a center and a tackle....just like a bucs fan told me, mahan at center is like playing with 4 lineman...

I would like us to make a move for cherilus in the first round this year...we might need to move up, but thats not something were afraid to do...otah is a viable option as well...we need a LT. I like marvel, but he would be godly at RT.

guard...now this is where it gets interesting. Faneca is gone, and good riddance..weve never been afraid to let the old overpaid guys go, this wont be a bad move. Mahan could possibly play guard, but if it were up to me he would be playing football period. Colon will inevitably move to one of the guard spots, i think he has potential to be a dominate guard, hes shown promise at RT but he is much better suited for OG. Fanecas spot might be perfect for him...and would be so much easier if we get a violently badass LT in the draft. And then simmons is locked up for a few years, but i dont think hes as bad as some beleive....with a dominate RT like smith next to him he could have great success. And there is no center worth taking in the first round unless mangold re-enters.....there will be plenty of badass centers in the 3rd round to at least look at. JUST ONE dominate tackle in this draft could fix all our problems...it will make a monumental difference to get a badass LT....once your sure up that spot you are pretty set, everything kinda falls into place. (see browns with joe thomas)

Safety is not as bad as we think...smith doesn suck as much as he did yesterday and to think he does is retarded...if we can keep clark we have the best safety depth ever, any of our 4 guys could start and we wouldnt miss a beat.

I have nothing bad to say about the linebackers...we are very solid, a 4th round MLB would be smart, but no immediate impact is necessary. Haggans will not be comanding alot of $$$ and no one will offer him enough not to make him resign with us for depth at the very least.

Dline will be a bigger need next year than it is this year...if we could get one guy to step in for smith and keisel once in a while we would be ok. You wont just find a guy like casey, but hes as solid as a rock and the dline is ok for this year....heres a thought just for fun though ...albert haynesworth lol...wow that would be a nasty line.

Corner....solid if you ask me....Deshea is playing at a high level and mcfadden could be starting if he wasnt....i really like william gay in the future too.

WR....this will be our second round pick hopefully....lots of quality WRs this year that wont go in the first round but definitely could. One day ward will either have to restructure or walk away because hes making entirely to much money. Holmes is a badass and will eventually take over as #1....and it has shown this year with him being our leading WR and all. i dont want a tall guy....and if you do i hate you, i want a physical guy who cant block, catch, get open, run, and score TDs. Ward will be around, but we need that 3rd guy who can be a badass.

TE....bueno

Punter...couldnt be better

Kicker...i hate reeds kickoffs still

RB...i like najeh and willie...and getting that LT in the first round is KEY to this being a nasty running game...im not sure if everyone realizes how much one guy on that line will change our team completely

and field turf is as big a need as anything

Koopa
12-10-2007, 05:11 PM
if we want a fullback, we need a guy like laron mclain that the rats drafted last year...thats vicious blocking at its finest.

Ben will obviously be resigned and eventually ward will have to restructure his deal. Faneca is gone, Starks will stay i think...i dunno about a spot on the starting lineup, but i think hes quality enough to keep around. We need to draft a center and a tackle....just like a bucs fan told me, mahan at center is like playing with 4 lineman...

I would like us to make a move for cherilus in the first round this year...we might need to move up, but thats not something were afraid to do...otah is a viable option as well...we need a LT. I like marvel, but he would be godly at RT.

guard...now this is where it gets interesting. Faneca is gone, and good riddance..weve never been afraid to let the old overpaid guys go, this wont be a bad move. Mahan could possibly play guard, but if it were up to me he would be playing football period. Colon will inevitably move to one of the guard spots, i think he has potential to be a dominate guard, hes shown promise at RT but he is much better suited for OG. Fanecas spot might be perfect for him...and would be so much easier if we get a violently badass LT in the draft. And then simmons is locked up for a few years, but i dont think hes as bad as some beleive....with a dominate RT like smith next to him he could have great success. And there is no center worth taking in the first round unless mangold re-enters.....there will be plenty of badass centers in the 3rd round to at least look at. JUST ONE dominate tackle in this draft could fix all our problems...it will make a monumental difference to get a badass LT....once your sure up that spot you are pretty set, everything kinda falls into place. (see browns with joe thomas)

Safety is not as bad as we think...smith doesn suck as much as he did yesterday and to think he does is retarded...if we can keep clark we have the best safety depth ever, any of our 4 guys could start and we wouldnt miss a beat.

I have nothing bad to say about the linebackers...we are very solid, a 4th round MLB would be smart, but no immediate impact is necessary. Haggans will not be comanding alot of $$$ and no one will offer him enough not to make him resign with us for depth at the very least.

Dline will be a bigger need next year than it is this year...if we could get one guy to step in for smith and keisel once in a while we would be ok. You wont just find a guy like casey, but hes as solid as a rock and the dline is ok for this year....heres a thought just for fun though ...albert haynesworth lol...wow that would be a nasty line.

Corner....solid if you ask me....Deshea is playing at a high level and mcfadden could be starting if he wasnt....i really like william gay in the future too.

WR....this will be our second round pick hopefully....lots of quality WRs this year that wont go in the first round but definitely could. One day ward will either have to restructure or walk away because hes making entirely to much money. Holmes is a badass and will eventually take over as #1....and it has shown this year with him being our leading WR and all. i dont want a tall guy....and if you do i hate you, i want a physical guy who cant block, catch, get open, run, and score TDs. Ward will be around, but we need that 3rd guy who can be a badass.

TE....bueno

Punter...couldnt be better

Kicker...i hate reeds kickoffs still

RB...i like najeh and willie...and getting that LT in the first round is KEY to this being a nasty running game...im not sure if everyone realizes how much one guy on that line will change our team completely

and field turf is as big a need as anything


i'm with you, **** a tall wr, one of the most overrated things ever

we better draft a center or get one in free agencie, cause mahan is worthless at life, worse signing ever

our staff is to stupid to move marvel smith to the right side, so i'm sure we are getting a right tackle......

i want a running back, willie is garbage as he proves each week why he went undrafted and didn't play in college lol, sure he played good against the pats but running back hasn't?? willie is more of a running back for a team in a dome, he can't run in cold weather lol........why the hell couldn't we draft marion barber lol

as for the field turf, never going to happen, our faggot *** owners are stuck in the 1700s and refuse to do it........and we have a pussy *** team that likes teh field the way it is cause of the advantage, we ain't good enough to beat teams straight up we have to handicap them with a **** poor field

K Train
12-10-2007, 05:21 PM
even if they drafted a tackle (cherilus:pray:) and put him on the right...one dominate guy will make all the difference. Even though i personally think a mammoth LT like cherilus pairing up with colon on the left would make colon 100x better and smith used to play on the right, and he does ok at LT but would be an animal at RT...making simmons all that much better...

i dont know what were gonna do at center

Black@Gold Forever32
12-10-2007, 07:30 PM
Funny I have been screaming for the Steelers to draft a LT for years.....Marvel is a quality LT but he isn't a elite LT....He is much better suited for RT......So I'm with you guys on drafting a LT.....

Another interesting thing is I remember Ktrain arguing with me about moving Willie Colon to OG in the past......I see you agree with moving Colon to OG.......I think Colon will be a badass OG.....

I think drafting a center is a must.....So if the Steelers draft a LT and a center...Then move Smith to RT and move both Colon and Mahan to OG........I think the Steelers will have the makings of a great Oline again...

Plus don't count Kemoeatu yet....He still might surprise and win one of the OG spots...I know Simmons will be back but I just hope two guys beat him out for the starting OG spots....I don't if the Steelers can cut him with his new contract....But he can't start anymore period....He is worthless....

I would also draft an OG....That would make 3 picks next year Olineman....But I think we need to draft some talent all along the Oline....

I'm with you guys on the drafting a WR....I love Hardy from IU...I hope he is there in the 2nd round when we draft....

So my draft would look like this...I'm only naming positions and not names....

1-OT (hopefully a true LT)
2-WR
3-C
4-OG
5-FB
6-traded for Rossum
7-Best player available....

Koopa
12-10-2007, 07:41 PM
Funny I have been screaming for the Steelers to draft a LT for years.....Marvel is a quality LT but he isn't a elite LT....He is much better suited for RT......So I'm with you guys on drafting a LT.....

Another interesting thing is I remember Ktrain arguing with me about moving Willie Colon to OG in the past......I see you agree with moving Colon to OG.......I think Colon will be a badass OG.....

I think drafting a center is a must.....So if the Steelers draft a LT and a center...Then move Smith to RT and move both Colon and Mahan to OG........I think the Steelers will have the makings of a great Oline again...

Plus don't count Kemoeatu yet....He still might surprise and win one of the OG spots...I know Simmons will be back but I just hope two guys beat him out for the starting OG spots....I don't if the Steelers can cut him with his new contract....But he can't start anymore period....He is worthless....

I would also draft an OG....That would make 3 picks next year Olineman....But I think we need to draft some talent all along the Oline....

I'm with you guys on the drafting a WR....I love Hardy from IU...I hope he is there in the 2nd round when we draft....

So my draft would look like this...I'm only naming positions and not names....

1-OT (hopefully a true LT)
2-WR
3-C
4-OG
5-FB
6-traded for Rossum
7-Best player available....

some ppl get upset that we traded a 6th rounder for a superstar punter, but i never hear anyone bitch about trading a 6th rounder for a complete bum

i would love taht draft if it went the way you have it

K Train
12-10-2007, 07:48 PM
lol my argument with colon at guard was for this year because i really hated the idea of starks at RT again and colon outplayed him...i would love to see him at guard, preferably next to a badass rookie LT

your scenerio for the draft is the best possible scenerio we could have. Maybe not a FB but we will see.

also, i love hearing the term "superstar punter" lol

Black@Gold Forever32
12-10-2007, 07:49 PM
some ppl get upset that we traded a 6th rounder for a superstar punter, but i never hear anyone bitch about trading a 6th rounder for a complete bum

i would love taht draft if it went the way you have it

I think its a 6th rounder we gave up for Rossum.......I know it was a late round so its either a 6th or 7th but I do think I read somewhere it was a 6th..... With the issues on the Oline that has to be the focal point......But I think adding to the Dline in the near future is a must also...There isn't much young blood behind the vets.....But hopefully McBean shows something during this training camp...It takes Dline a few years to learn our system....But I do think the Steelers can wait until the 09 draft to address the Dline.....Oline and a WR then I would be happy.....A FB late and Best Available in the 7th sounds the best to me.....

Koopa
12-10-2007, 07:50 PM
isn't marvel smith a free agent too?? why are we talking like it's a for sure thing he'll be back??

Black@Gold Forever32
12-10-2007, 07:52 PM
lol my argument with colon at guard was for this year because i really hated the idea of starks at RT again and colon outplayed him...i would love to see him at guard, preferably next to a badass rookie LT

your scenerio for the draft is the best possible scenerio we could have. Maybe not a FB but we will see.

also, i love hearing the term "superstar punter" lol

Trust me I don't like Starks either.....He sucks bad...Him and Simmons just need to go plant trees or something of that nature....They don't have the attitude for NFL football thats for sure....I see Colon as just a nasty SOB at OG....

K Train
12-10-2007, 07:52 PM
early FA rankings...its a sad day when starks ranks among the top of OT FAs

-- Guard
Ranking Name Position Old Team New Team
1 Alan Faneca OG Pittsburgh Steelers
2 Chris Snee OG New York Giants
3 Ruben Brown OG Chicago Bears
4 Ryan Lija OG Indianpolis Colts
5 Jake Scott OG Indianapolis Colts
6 Justin Smiley OG San Francisco 49ers
7 Claude Terrell OG St. Louis Rams
8 Larry Allen OG San Francisco 49ers
9 Keydrick Vincent OG Arizona Cardinals
10 Brian Rimpf OG Baltimore Ravens
11 Fred Weary OG Houston Texans

-- Tackle
Ranking Name Position Old Team New Team
1 Max Starks OT Pittsburgh Steelers
2 Floyd Womack OT Seattle Seahawks
3 Sean Locklear OT Seattle Seahawks
4 Kwame Harris OT San Francisco 49ers
5 Trai Essex OT Pittsburgh Steelers
6 Todd Steussie OT St. Louis Rams
7 Nat Dorsey OT Cleveland Browns
8 Travelle Wharton OT Carolina Panthers
9 Flozell Adams OT Dallas Cowboys
10 George Foster OT Detroit Lions

Black@Gold Forever32
12-10-2007, 07:56 PM
isn't marvel smith a free agent too?? why are we talking like it's a for sure thing he'll be back??

I think he might be....Don't know for sure....But I would like him resigned to play RT....

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early FA rankings...its a sad day when starks ranks among the top of OT FAs

-- Guard
Ranking Name Position Old Team New Team
1 Alan Faneca OG Pittsburgh Steelers
2 Chris Snee OG New York Giants
3 Ruben Brown OG Chicago Bears
4 Ryan Lija OG Indianpolis Colts
5 Jake Scott OG Indianapolis Colts
6 Justin Smiley OG San Francisco 49ers
7 Claude Terrell OG St. Louis Rams
8 Larry Allen OG San Francisco 49ers
9 Keydrick Vincent OG Arizona Cardinals
10 Brian Rimpf OG Baltimore Ravens
11 Fred Weary OG Houston Texans

-- Tackle
Ranking Name Position Old Team New Team
1 Max Starks OT Pittsburgh Steelers
2 Floyd Womack OT Seattle Seahawks
3 Sean Locklear OT Seattle Seahawks
4 Kwame Harris OT San Francisco 49ers
5 Trai Essex OT Pittsburgh Steelers
6 Todd Steussie OT St. Louis Rams
7 Nat Dorsey OT Cleveland Browns
8 Travelle Wharton OT Carolina Panthers
9 Flozell Adams OT Dallas Cowboys
10 George Foster OT Detroit Lions

Very true Ktrain that its very sad to see Max Starks at the top of the FA OT list...lol I would love to see Chris Snee in a Steelers uniform....But with Ben needing to be resigned...I don't see the Steelers going after Snee since the price of OGs is crazy anymore in FA.......Plus it would sweet to stick it to Faneca....Signing Snee and letting Faneca walk....:lol:

K Train
12-10-2007, 07:58 PM
and centers

- Center Ranking Name Position Old Team New Team
1 Jeff Faine OC New Orleans Saints
2 Seth McKinney OC Cleveland Browns
3 Andy McCollum OC St. Louis Rams
4 John Wade OC Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5 Jeremy Newberry OC Oakland Raiders

Black@Gold Forever32
12-10-2007, 08:00 PM
and centers

- Center Ranking Name Position Old Team New Team
1 Jeff Faine OC New Orleans Saints
2 Seth McKinney OC Cleveland Browns
3 Andy McCollum OC St. Louis Rams
4 John Wade OC Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5 Jeremy Newberry OC Oakland Raiders

I think drafting a center is the best route with those names....:lol: The center from Marshall is a beast....Nasty attitude and strong like bull....Perfect center for the Steelers....

K Train
12-10-2007, 08:07 PM
you know how the cowboys signed leonard davis from AZ....he was a bust, a huge bust at LT....but they turned him into one of the best guards to ever live lol...why cant we do that kind of stuff lol

Koopa
12-10-2007, 08:17 PM
you know how the cowboys signed leonard davis from AZ....he was a bust, a huge bust at LT....but they turned him into one of the best guards to ever live lol...why cant we do that kind of stuff lol

cause plastic face jerry jones is willing to spend money on anything just to win

K Train
12-10-2007, 08:20 PM
he came cheap as ****, he was terrible in AZ at tackle, now hes a top guard and not making anywhere near top guard money

Koopa
12-10-2007, 08:26 PM
but i doubt the steelers would've been willing to give him a 7 year 49.6 mill deal like plastic face did

BRICKTOWN BEAST
12-17-2007, 10:14 PM
Heres my take.

I always loved Dan Krieder and he should be starting right now. Obviously Krieder isnt the fastest FB and maybe not the best running and or catching fullback. But the best blocking one. Tomlin really loves the POWER running game and Davis isnt meant for that style of offense. If we get 4 yards every run by having Kreider in thier then so be it. hell id even have Casey Hampton as fulback if we had a consistant power running game :lol:.

We obviously need a true center. Im not sure Mahan is the answer I still wanted us to getRyan Kalil or Samson Satele last year. And if Faneca leaves then we defiently need a VISOUS GUARD not that we dont need one already.

I would definetly like to see a pick used on a good WR. i would love another Antwan Randle El. We need a great WR that can make big plays I actually wanted us to find a diamond in the rough like we did tried to do last year but its easier said than done.

I wouldn't mind us drafting a TRUE POWER RB either but its not a nessisity.

I wouldn't mind some depth at DE either.

And everything else on our defense is ok. as long as Timmons and Woddley oren't bums. and Anthony Smith stops being retrded.

AND ABOVE ALL BRUCE AIRNS NEEDS TO BE FIRED. hes not a pittsburgh kind of guy. He just doesn't fit.

K Train
12-17-2007, 10:20 PM
Heres my take.

I always loved Dan Krieder and he should be starting right now. Obviously Krieder isnt the fastest FB and maybe not the best running and or catching fullback. But the best blocking one. Tomlin really loves the POWER running game and Davis isnt meant for that style of offense. If we get 4 yards every run by having Kreider in thier then so be it. hell id even have Casey Hampton as fulback if we had a consistant power running game :lol:.

We obviously need a true center. Im not sure Mahan is the answer I still wanted us to getRyan Kalil or Samson Satele last year. And if Faneca leaves then we defiently need a VISOUS GUARD not that we dont need one already.

I would definetly like to see a pick used on a good WR. i would love another Antwan Randle El. We need a great WR that can make big plays I actually wanted us to find a diamond in the rough like we did tried to do last year but its easier said than done.

I wouldn't mind us drafting a TRUE POWER RB either but its not a nessisity.

I wouldn't mind some depth at DE either.

And everything else on our defense is ok. as long as Timmons and Woddley oren't bums. and Anthony Smith stops being retrded.

AND ABOVE ALL BRUCE AIRNS NEEDS TO BE FIRED. hes not a pittsburgh kind of guy. He just doesn't fit.

krieder is not the best full back in the league...i could name 5 over him easily...and he shouldnt be starting...hes on IR.

Kalil is a bitch we wouldnt want him either, samson satele is good we couldve spent a pick on him last year...

randel el was a bum, hes a PR and thats all he'll ever be...would be nice to have one of those too though lol

a TRUE POWER BACK is retarded....i wont even comment further

Everyone would like another DE now that smith is hurt and teams just rape us on the ground..

And i dont think i can take anymore bitching about bruce arians....please make it stop

BRICKTOWN BEAST
12-17-2007, 10:27 PM
i can take bruce airans anymore make it stop. and i know Krieders on the IR LOL but hes still better than Davis. and how is a true power back retarded why wouldnt you want one?

K Train
12-17-2007, 10:33 PM
having a powerback is like having a tall WR....most of them are bums....not every fat dude can play like bettis did....you just dont see that very often. I would be happy with another legit back, he doesnt have to be big at all...give me brian westbrook anyday...i like production, bettis has everyone spoiled that we can always do that kind of stuff...it just doesnt happen.

That being said if we get a RB this year i want it to be felix jones in the second

BRICKTOWN BEAST
12-17-2007, 10:41 PM
yeah im not gonna lie Bettis did spoil everybody i do miss having Betts pound the rock over and over again untill the defense is just trash and can't do anything about it.

Black@Gold Forever32
12-18-2007, 01:15 AM
having a powerback is like having a tall WR....most of them are bums....not every fat dude can play like bettis did....you just dont see that very often. I would be happy with another legit back, he doesnt have to be big at all...give me brian westbrook anyday...i like production, bettis has everyone spoiled that we can always do that kind of stuff...it just doesnt happen.

That being said if we get a RB this year i want it to be felix jones in the second

Don't lie you would love to have Brandon Jacobs teamed with Willie Parker.....As for this draft I don't see any Jacobs types in this draft.....So scrap that....I'm still anxious to see what Gary Russell can do....Especially since he will have a year under his belt learning the Steelers system....Parker didn't do much in 2004 in his rookie year.....The 100 yard game against the Bills was really the only playing time Willie received that year...Now Parker is a stud....So hopefully Russell can show enough to part of the rotation next year....

K Train
12-18-2007, 01:20 AM
Don't lie you would love to have Brandon Jacobs teamed with Willie Parker.....As for this draft I don't see any Jacobs types in this draft.....So scrap that....I'm still anxious to see what Gary Russell can do....Especially since he will have a year under his belt learning the Steelers system....Parker didn't do much in 2004 in his rookie year.....The 100 yard game against the Bills was really the only playing time Willie received that year...Now Parker is a stud....So hopefully Russell can show enough to part of the rotation next year....

oh theres exceptions....brandon jacobs is one, micheal bush could possibly be one...but for the most part the big guys are bums.

i would splooge myself if we made a move for duece mcalister this year...i know hes rehabbing that knee but hes an animal when healthy

Black@Gold Forever32
12-18-2007, 01:31 AM
oh theres exceptions....brandon jacobs is one, micheal bush could possibly be one...but for the most part the big guys are bums.

i would splooge myself if we made a move for duece mcalister this year...i know hes rehabbing that knee but hes an animal when healthy

Duece Mac...is a very good player...But this is what his 3rd serious knee injury since college?....I know he had at least two in the NFL....His injuries are starting to add up....The Steelers won't make a move for him anyway....The Rooney's are to conservative to make such a move...Its a nice thought though...

K Train
12-18-2007, 01:39 AM
i dont want him for a full time roll though....i just think hes an animal lol

Black@Gold Forever32
12-18-2007, 01:45 AM
i dont want him for a full time roll though....i just think hes an animal lol

I didn't think you wanted him as the full time RB.....He is a beast no doubt...I always have liked Deuce.....Even at Ole Miss.....I just hope injuries are not catching up with him.....

K Train
12-18-2007, 01:46 AM
hes still pretty young, well i mean hes not old at least...i would take a chance on him

MDSteel15
12-18-2007, 04:13 AM
Javorskie Lane:banana::tt02::bigthumb::cabbagepatch::cope:

seth_westover
12-19-2007, 01:12 PM
yes! javorskie! i love that kid! he is the ****!

steelcurtain09
12-19-2007, 08:46 PM
i dont see the need for a WR early in this year's draft. i still think Ward has enough left in the tank for another three or four years so we wont need another WR until the '09 draft. i think Nate is an adequete 3rd WR but if Ward and Holmes were to get hurt he would not work as a #1. i think we should take a WR in the 5th round this year and wait till next year to take one in the 2nd or 3rd.

this year we need to take OL with our first three picks. i would like to see us get Jeff Otah in the first a C in the 2nd and one other OL in the third.

i like the idea of getting a FB in the fourth

we could possibly trade our 7th rounder to move up in one of the earlier rounds cuz we all know we r gonna do is cut whoever we take there.

K Train
12-19-2007, 09:17 PM
like were not just gonna cut a 5th round WR...you dont wait til the last minute to draft WRs, they have little impact their rookie years you get them early...with our pass happy offense we need a badass #3

Black@Gold Forever32
12-19-2007, 09:58 PM
like were not just gonna cut a 5th round WR...you dont wait til the last minute to draft WRs, they have little impact their rookie years you get them early...with our pass happy offense we need a badass #3

Couldn't agree more with you.....There is always a shot in finding a gem like Colston.....But those are to hard to find....If this offense wants to go to the next level....It needs an improved Oline and a 3 headed monster at WR.....I say no later then the 3rd round to draft a WR...But I hope one is drafted in the 2nd......

1-LT
2-WR or C
3-C or WR

DIESELMAN
12-19-2007, 11:46 PM
i dont see the need for a WR early in this year's draft. i still think Ward has enough left in the tank for another three or four years so we wont need another WR until the '09 draft. i think Nate is an adequete 3rd WR but if Ward and Holmes were to get hurt he would not work as a #1. i think we should take a WR in the 5th round this year and wait till next year to take one in the 2nd or 3rd.

Not tryin to be a dick bro, but thats Cowhers mentality with the OL. Its one thing to have just depth, its a whole nother to have quality depth and thats what we've been lacking for several years.


like were not just gonna cut a 5th round WR...you dont wait til the last minute to draft WRs, they have little impact their rookie years you get them early...with our pass happy offense we need a badass #3
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Couldn't agree more with you.....There is always a shot in finding a gem like Colston.....But those are to hard to find....If this offense wants to go to the next level....It needs an improved Oline and a 3 headed monster at WR.....I say no later then the 3rd round to draft a WR...But I hope one is drafted in the 2nd......

1-LT
2-WR or C
3-C or WR

1st day most definitely OL and WR. :bigthumb:

Dee Mca
12-20-2007, 12:17 PM
Alright y'all don't laugh at me but if we can't fix our rb problem with the draft we should just Duckett. As in TJ Duckett he only signed a 1 year deal with Lions. Only making about 700k this year. Has 37 carriers for 204 with a 5.5 avg and 2 Td's. I know Davenport is having a better year with more carries thou. 71 carriers 349 yards4.9 avg. and 3 Td's. Davenport only signed a 1 year deal.

Black@Gold Forever32
12-20-2007, 02:39 PM
Alright y'all don't laugh at me but if we can't fix our rb problem with the draft we should just Duckett. As in TJ Duckett he only signed a 1 year deal with Lions. Only making about 700k this year. Has 37 carriers for 204 with a 5.5 avg and 2 Td's. I know Davenport is having a better year with more carries thou. 71 carriers 349 yards4.9 avg. and 3 Td's. Davenport only signed a 1 year deal.

Ok God the yearly bring in TJ Duckett post....:lol: Dude I'll take a pass on Duckett....

K Train
12-20-2007, 03:18 PM
lol duckett is a joke

Dee Mca
12-20-2007, 05:45 PM
He may be a joke but he's a big back thats cheap+ he doesn't have legal problems. Stats look about the same except Davenort returns kicks and Duckett never really has.
Rushing Recs Fum
G---GS---ATT---YDS---AVG---LNG---TD---REC---YDS---AVG---TD---FUM-LOST
Davenport 65---2---348--1638---4.7----76----11----48----440---9.2-----2-----9----2
Duckett 75---13--627--2511---4.0-----55----35----31----249---8.0-----0-----9----6

-------------Kick Return-----------------------------
-G--Ret---Yds----Avg---Lng---TD---20+---40+---FC---FUM
Davenport 65---74---1,681--22.7----60----0----43-----5-----0-----2
Duckett 75----3------40---13.3----18----0-----0-----0-----0-----0

steelcurtain09
12-20-2007, 06:12 PM
He may be a joke but he's a big back thats cheap+ he doesn't have legal problems. Stats look about the same except Davenort returns kicks and Duckett never really has.
Rushing Recs Fum
G---GS---ATT---YDS---AVG---LNG---TD---REC---YDS---AVG---TD---FUM-LOST
Davenport 65---2---348--1638---4.7----76----11----48----440---9.2-----2-----9----2
Duckett 75---13--627--2511---4.0-----55----35----31----249---8.0-----0-----9----6

-------------Kick Return-----------------------------
-G--Ret---Yds----Avg---Lng---TD---20+---40+---FC---FUM
Davenport 65---74---1,681--22.7----60----0----43-----5-----0-----2
Duckett 75----3------40---13.3----18----0-----0-----0-----0-----0
those stats ive a ringing endorsement for....

Najeh Davenport!!

compared to Duckett, Davenport is a better threat catching the ball and as an added bonus he can return kicks.