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AZ_Steeler
11-20-2007, 02:49 PM
Link to story... (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_538841.html?source=rss&feed=9)

Joey Porter's homecoming couldn't come at a better time.

His current team is winless.

And Porter's former team is 7-3 but reeling in the wake of what happened on Sunday against a one-win collection of New York Jets.

"The issue for us is us," a clearly perturbed Mike Tomlin assessed after the Jets had stunned the Steelers, 19-16, in overtime.

The issue at present is figuring out why the Steelers aren't the Steelers on the road against teams that don't call the AFC North Division home.

Based on the postgame reaction at Giants Stadium, and what the Steelers put on tape in Arizona and in Denver, the Steelers' problem there is intangible at least as much as it is schematic.

Defensive end Brett Keisel talked of the Steelers being "flat" and "on our heels."

Wide receiver Hines Ward used the word "grind" to describe what the Steelers were going through.

And quarterback Ben Roethlisberger referenced on three occasions the Jets' physicality, including the following apparently unintentional indictment of what the Steelers have become:

"They were probably the more physical team, and I think it showed," Roethlisberger said.

Can you imagine what Porter's reaction might have been had such heresy been uttered on his watch from the confines of his locker room?

It was Porter, you might recall, who screamed bloody murder at the mere suggestion that the Colts had been the more physical team when they had beaten the Steelers, 26-7, back in November 2005.

And it was Porter, you'll remember, who never failed to achieve a foaming-at-the-mouth state prior to games.

On one occasion, that got him thrown out of a game before the game had actually begun, but Porter was always ready to defend the Steelers' identity.

The current collection, admittedly, is not.

Perhaps Peazy's presence will rekindle what's been lacking along those lines.

That's not likely to come from Mike Tomlin, who is more Chuck Noll than he is Bill Cowher in approach.

And it's not likely to come from James Harrison, Porter's replacement at right outside linebacker.

Harrison registered a sack against the Jets, giving him 7 1/2 on the season, surpassing the seven Porter registered in 2006.

But Harrison doesn't have Porter's personality. None of the Steelers do.

And they seemingly miss it, at least periodically.

Perhaps seeing Peazy again will provide a reminder as to the combination of joy and rage the Steelers have to play with to be the Steelers, even if Peazy will be wearing teal.

It'll take more than that, of course, for the Steelers to get where they want to go.

Still, their mantra moving forward should be: "Don't Leave Home Without It."

There's not much the Steelers can do about the offensive line, the special teams or the inconsistency of "Fast" Willie Parker at this point.

Those aspects of their game are what they are and will have to be worked around, as they had been prior to the Jets game.

But it is within the Steelers' control to make sure that they never again have to acknowledge that they were "flat" and that the other team was "more physical."

Those were always fightin' words to Porter.

The Steelers would do well to resume taking such accusations personally.
Does Prisuta have a point???

BlitzburghRockCity
11-20-2007, 03:10 PM
This is what I was worried about with losing Porter, that firing up the team hellfire and brimstone wake up call that rallied the troops. Joey wasn't the type of player that I think Tomlin cares to have on his squad in terms of his trash talking and fiery personality but still this is a time when we need the locker room to come together and however they do it it needs to get done.

GoBenGo
11-20-2007, 03:13 PM
This is what I was worried about with losing Porter, that firing up the team hellfire and brimstone wake up call that rallied the troops. Joey wasn't the type of player that I think Tomlin cares to have on his squad in terms of his trash talking and fiery personality but still this is a time when we need the locker room to come together and however they do it it needs to get done.
>>That fire comes back Monday, and this time it is directed at us!:yesnod:

Koopa
11-20-2007, 03:29 PM
we ain't missing **** from this bum, we lost these types of games even without him..........porter was cut for a reason, he sucks *** now, and will only continue to get worse, his mouth didn't really win us games......... so no, we are not missing his fire

BlitzburghRockCity
11-20-2007, 03:38 PM
Marvel and Willie better be ready because Joey mixes it up alot. On a normal day Marvel can handle Joey I have little doubt of that. Colon on the other hand though Im not so sure about. I'd bet we'll use Heath or Matt Spaeth as an extra guy on his side or keep a back in to chip him if he gets through just to be safe. We'll see though, his fire yes I do miss but our LB's have been doing more than adequate to say the least :cool:

Ambridge
11-20-2007, 03:41 PM
I'm really starting to have second thoughts about Tomlin now as the head coach!!

Sure...he doesn't have to be a "spit-flyer" like Bill Cowher but I've seen more emotion, animation and inspiration from a front window mannequin at Macy's or JC Penney's.
If you want to come back with the arguement that Chuck Noll wasn't a vocal/inspirational leader we can have that debate when Mike wins his Fourth Superbowl.

Say what you like about Bill Belichick but at least his teams don't come out and lay eggs against inferior teams that they're supposed to beat.

This team has come out and played like the walking dead both mentally and physically on three different occasions and like it or not it's on Tomlin's head.

Koopa
11-20-2007, 03:43 PM
a coach jumping and spitting doesn't help the team, we were what 2-6 around this time, and cowher was acting like his usual dumb**** self and it didn't inspire teh team one bit........... it's the fact that tomlin has to much trust in his corrdinators is what's ****ing the team up, arians was a position coach for a reason, cause he sucks *** at playcalling

Ambridge
11-20-2007, 03:50 PM
a coach jumping and spitting doesn't help the team, we were what 2-6 around this time, and cowher was acting like his usual dumb**** self and it didn't inspire teh team one bit........... it's the fact that tomlin has to much trust in his corrdinators is what's ****ing the team up, arians was a position coach for a reason, cause he sucks *** at playcalling

I agree that Cowher's act of motivating had grown very stale his last few seasons but to go to the other extreme of having a head coach who is practically like a Zombie on the sideline doesn't help either.

This team sounds like it lacking leadership and motivation from the highest place which is Mike Tomlin.

GoBenGo
11-20-2007, 05:15 PM
we ain't missing shiat from this bum, we lost these types of games even without him..........porter was cut for a reason, he sucks *** now, and will only continue to get worse, his mouth didn't really win us games......... so no, we are not missing his fire
well, that and get out of that million dollar bonus.:yesnod:
Harrison will rise up again!

SteelerFan87
11-20-2007, 05:45 PM
I do think we miss Peezy's emotion. I think we lost alot when Bettis retired and Peezy was let go. We may have replaced them with younger, more productive players, but we haven't replaced their leadership and emotion. Those guys were the heart and soul of the offense and defense respectively. They gave us our identity as a hard nosed, smashmouth, physical football team, and they never let us forget that that's what Steelers football is all about. Talent can win games, and will make you a good team. But a great team has talent and intangibles, and we don't have enough intangibles.

Ambridge
11-20-2007, 06:01 PM
I do think we miss Peezy's emotion. I think we lost alot when Bettis retired and Peezy was let go. We may have replaced them with younger, more productive players, but we haven't replaced their leadership and emotion. Those guys were the heart and soul of the offense and defense respectively. They gave us our identity as a hard nosed, smashmouth, physical football team, and they never let us forget that that's what Steelers football is all about. Talent can win games, and will make you a good team. But a great team has talent and intangibles, and we don't have enough intangibles.

I agree with everything you said. :bigthumb:
I'll also add that a lot of leadership...emotion and hard nosed attitude/mentality was instilled by Bill Cowher as well and I believe that this is what has been sorely lacking at times this season from Mike Tomlin.

Again Tomlin doesn't have to scream and spit on people but he needs to get a little more fired up.
Standing around on the sideline being a stoogelike mime ala Tony Dungy isn't going to cut it in Pittsburgh.

I honestly fear this team could be in jeopardy of losing it's physical identity and do I dare say becoming "Soft" under a low key coaching style??

Koopa
11-20-2007, 06:49 PM
i've seen tomlin jumping around smiling plenty of times, i think it's the media that got into ppls head saying he isn't like that, but every time i see him after a scoring he's clapping and smiling and congratulating the players.....

TEEMONT
11-20-2007, 07:20 PM
Anyone who has played football has to know that the Steelers miss players like Porter. Sure Harrison has stepped up statistically, but has anyone filled the leadership shoes?

Tomlin has done a great job as coach, but he is missing something, he doesn't have that fire, and it almost doesn't seem like he holds his players accountable. I don't want a coach who is out there "jumping around with the players" I want a coach who holds his O-line accountable, b/c clearly Tomlin hasn't. I want a head coach who beats teams he is supposed to beat. Tomlin is 7-3 but he SHOULD be 10-0. There is no reason at all we should have lost to Denver, Arizona, and especially the JETS.

Anyone who thinks we don't miss the fire that Porter and even Cowher provided us is blind. We won a championship two years ago with that fire. Will we win it this year without it? No, but it wouldn't matter if we had God on our team, this is the Pats year without a doubt. We need someone to step up, somone to put this team on his proverbial back, and be the "guy". It's easy to pat Tomlin on the back when his team drops 35 on the Ravens, but when his team can't even put up 3 TD's on the Jets, there are issues, and, sorry to say it but the main issue is leadership.

Ambridge
11-20-2007, 07:26 PM
Anyone who has played football has to know that the Steelers miss players like Porter. Sure Harrison has stepped up statistically, but has anyone filled the leadership shoes?

Tomlin has done a great job as coach, but he is missing something, he doesn't have that fire, and it almost doesn't seem like he holds his players accountable. I don't want a coach who is out there "jumping around with the players" I want a coach who holds his O-line accountable, b/c clearly Tomlin hasn't. I want a head coach who beats teams he is supposed to beat. Tomlin is 7-3 but he SHOULD be 10-0. There is no reason at all we should have lost to Denver, Arizona, and especially the JETS.

Anyone who thinks we don't miss the fire that Porter and even Cowher provided us is blind. We won a championship two years ago with that fire. Will we win it this year without it? No, but it wouldn't matter if we had God on our team, this is the Pats year without a doubt. We need someone to step up, somone to put this team on his proverbial back, and be the "guy". It's easy to pat Tomlin on the back when his team drops 35 on the Ravens, but when his team can't even put up 3 TD's on the Jets, there are issues, and, sorry to say it but the main issue is leadership.


Amen Brother!! Well said.

$teeler$guy
11-20-2007, 07:45 PM
joey porter was a great leader for the steelers but we don't need him

SteelersWoman
11-21-2007, 12:13 AM
IMO, these are all grown, professional men. They've all been here before, and if they need the coach to hold their hands like little girls to get them (emotionally) to where they need to be, then there's where the problem starts, right there.

They know what they need to do, and they either want to win or not. Besides--I've seen too many great coaches (with great teams) barely blink on the sidelines to think that's got a thing to do with it.

Steelerlyn
11-21-2007, 01:11 AM
As Koop said all that trash talking and jumping around like an idiot does not win games so no we do not miss Porter. I thought Lewis looked so stupid when he was jumping around yelling for the ratturds

I am not ready to rule on Tomlin just yet because there is still alot of football to be played.

black an gold 4 life
11-21-2007, 04:28 PM
WHAT WE MISS IS LEADERSHIP ON OFFENSE (BETTIS) AN DEFENSE ( PEEZY)PLAIN AN SIMPLE DO WE NEED LEADERSHIP, H*** YEA, WITH THAT SAID I DON'T MISS ALL THAT JUMPING AROUND WHEN U MAKE AN TACKLE,THAT'S WHAT U GET PAIDED 2 DO MAKE TACKLES.............

TEEMONT
11-21-2007, 04:30 PM
IMO, these are all grown, professional men. They've all been here before, and if they need the coach to hold their hands like little girls to get them (emotionally) to where they need to be, then there's where the problem starts, right there.
This is the problem, people treat football like it is a real job. It's not. Some of these guys need the rah-rah **** to go out there and bust heads on every play. Part of Tomlin's job is to get these guys emotionally ready to play the game. He isn't doing much X's and O's, part of his job as the HC is a motivator. He seems to balance it pretty well, but I would like to see more fire out of him. When the team is playing like **** (AZ, Denver, Jets) the man has no emotion whatsoever. It's easy to be out there hopping around with the players when **** is going well, but I want my coach in someone's face when they **** up, and Tomlin isn't doing that. Hell, he isn't even holding people accountable, no one has lost a starting job since the season started.


They know what they need to do, and they either want to win or not. Besides--I've seen too many great coaches (with great teams) barely blink on the sidelines to think that's got a thing to do with it.

There is a reason 20 year olds don't coach, b/c they are not mentally ready, and this team needs a leader, badly. I don't care how many great coached you have seen not blink an eye on the sideline, I guarantee you they held their players accountable for how they performed. Everyone wants to win, so thats just an asisnine comment. I think its hard to make people understand if they haven't played the game, but you need to have a little fear of your coach, and the players don't have that right now, they have a guy who is pretty much their friend.

SteelersWoman
11-27-2007, 01:35 AM
This is the problem, people treat football like it is a real job. It's not.....

It may not be a "real" job to YOU, but for THESE men, it IS thier "job". They get paid a LOT of money to DO their ''job".


I don't care how many great coached you have seen not blink an eye on the sideline, I guarantee you they held their players accountable for how they performed.

Lovie Smith's team went to the Super Bowl last year--I didn't see him yanking Rex, even when he couldn't be counted on from one quarter to the next .


Everyone wants to win, so thats just an asisnine comment.

Why do you have to be such a jerk to almost everybody? You don't even know HOW to treat people with respect. I don't care whether you like what I have to say or not--I'm as entitled to my opinion as you are yours--and it's MY opinion that not every man on the field at any given time really cares whether a game is won or lost--they still get a paycheck.

K Train
11-27-2007, 01:49 AM
dont worry teemont, your still my hero

that being said, i dont think tomlin lacks leadership or "fire" i think hes a badass and blaming the losses on him alone is retarded because our fat guys are girlscout recruits and i dont want to talk about special teams.....plenty of blame to go around

oh, and porter told tomlin "you couldve had me" tonight lol

Steelerlyn
11-27-2007, 02:01 AM
dont worry teemont, your still my hero

that being said, i dont think tomlin lacks leadership or "fire" i think hes a badass and blaming the losses on him alone is retarded because our fat guys are girlscout recruits and i dont want to talk about special teams.....plenty of blame to go around

oh, and porter told tomlin "you couldve had me" tonight lol

Tomlin doesn't want the thug

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It may not be a "real" job to YOU, but for THESE men, it IS thier "job". They get paid a LOT of money to DO their ''job".



Lovie Smith's team went to the Super Bowl last year--I didn't see him yanking Rex, even when he couldn't be counted on from one quarter to the next .



Why do you have to be such a jerk to almost everybody? You don't even know HOW to treat people with respect. I don't care whether you like what I have to say or not--I'm as entitled to my opinion as you are yours--and it's MY opinion that not every man on the field at any given time really cares whether a game is won or lost--they still get a paycheck.


LOL you go, girl!~

Koopa
11-27-2007, 02:13 AM
dont worry teemont, your still my hero

that being said, i dont think tomlin lacks leadership or "fire" i think hes a badass and blaming the losses on him alone is retarded because our fat guys are girlscout recruits and i dont want to talk about special teams.....plenty of blame to go around

oh, and porter told tomlin "you couldve had me" tonight lol

good think we don't have him, then harrison wouldn't be having a beastly year, and porter would be having yet another average season...... porter is so full of himself........he's washed up, and the rooneys let him go for that reason

BlitzburghNation
11-27-2007, 02:23 AM
Porters last year "really pissed me off"
Got so sick of all that showboating & mouthing , he was a beast on the field
But his mouth last year didn't back up his play,,,,,,,,,
I'm glad he's gone also,I really like harrison 'always have" :bigthumb:

Just think "we still have timmons & woodley in the waiting" :banana2:

BlitzburghRockCity
11-27-2007, 07:37 AM
Tomlin is never going to to be a rah rah scream and dance coach, the Rooneys' knew that going in and the players know it. He does hold the players accountable for their actions, don't you remember during camp and earlier in the year when players said that during meetings Tomlin calls them out in front of everyone and tells them what they are doing wrong and challenges them to do better.

I agree some players need the rah rah to get fired up and they'll do that on the field with big plays and chest bumping and all that but Tomlin is a quiet, level headed coach who will show some emotion but he's won this team over with his quiet confidence and the players seem to like it. This is their job and while it's a game they need to go out and do it and win.

Porter isn't there for a reason, and while I still like him and always will, Tomlin knew that Harrison was ready to step up and he has delivered so far.

GoBenGo
11-27-2007, 10:44 AM
PORTER INSPIRED: Fired up by his return to the city where he spent the first eight years of his career, Dolphins linebacker Joey Porter put together his best game of the season, starting with an interception of Ben Roethlisberger on the Steelers' opening drive. It was his first interception as a Dolphin and the 11 th of his career and he was in on some key stops, finishing with eight tackles (six of them solo).

"It was everything I expected. I expected to come into this hostile environment where we hosted other people, so me being on this side wasn't going to be any different," Porter said. "I knew what it was going to be like and that's why I told the guys to go out there and we don't have to do anything different, just go out and play and we could shock the world tonight. I really thought we were going to win."

The dude had a good game. And he did not show his a$$. He was just undermanned.
Jason Taylor is just mailing it in this year.