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Troyisabeast_43
10-22-2007, 03:33 PM
Explain this to me. If on the Graham catch, contact was made before Graham had possession of the ball it's still down by contact? Even if Graham was going down to make the catch?

I feel like we got jobed by that call. To me if it was a catch, then it should've been a fumble.

the way i saw the play, the defenders hand was on his back as he was going down to make the catch, but there was no contact as or after the catch was made until Clark knocked the ball out. Since it was ruled incomplete on the field wee the officials not allowed to rule it a fumble?

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When he was touched, did he have solid control of the ball? I don't believe he did. I don't believe he had control until he was starting to get up. Therefore, he hadn't been down by contact. The first contact of him having control, would of been when he was getting up and which it should of been a fumble.
That's what I saw. and if he wasn't down by contact it was a fumble.

BlacknGold Bleeder
10-22-2007, 03:33 PM
The announcers explanation was he caught it and then as soon as he is touched by a defensive player the play is over....:scratch: as he was bouncing back up he was touched by the Defense ...he was holding it when he was coming up and then the touching knocked it out of his hands.... clear as mud now isn't it !!

BlitzburghRockCity
10-22-2007, 03:37 PM
I was questioning this one last night. They said that Anthony Smith touched him while he had the ball and was down. Smith did have his hand on his back for a split second but I can't remember if his knee was down at the same time though but if it was then that's why they are saying he was down by contact.

I don't believe he had total control of the ball at the time Smith had his hand on his back so then when Clark knocked the ball out it should have been a fumble because he wasn't down by contact yet and the ball never hit the ground to be an incomplete pass? :scratch:

BlacknGold Bleeder
10-22-2007, 03:49 PM
From the replays you couldn't tell if Smith was touching him when the ball arrived and he was on the ground with hands underneath it.... so then the next to touch was Clark which knocked it loose, IMHO BUT the next touch caused the play to be over... I honestly think they blew the call but had no choice to call it that way since Troy stopped running and they needed to cover their asses....

Troyisabeast_43
10-22-2007, 03:56 PM
I dont want to bitch about or blame the officiating at all for these games but that is now twice in both losses this year that the refs have made favorable calls to the home team late in these games. First it happened in Arizona with the Leinart 4th and 1 scramble which he was clearly short and got a favorable spot, and then the end of the game when Ben threw the pic the guy jumped offsides and nothing was called, and then last night if your going to call that Graham play a catch then its got to be called a fumble since there saying it was a catch and he was pretty much down at the same time the ball popped out. The Steelers always seem to have these kinds of things happen to them in these games late on the road and its just very frustrating to have the games sometimes come down to questionable calls at the end of the game. The bottom line is the refs need to do a better job, and the Steelers as a team need to do a better job of not being in that position late in the game to have it affect them so much like it did in both losses this year to Arizona and Denver.

black an gold 4 life
10-22-2007, 06:13 PM
the nfl loves 2 hate the steelers that's all, the broncos were who we thought they were an WE LET THEM OFF THE HOOK LOL LOL LOL , move on now it's time 2 go an tame them bungirls.

Black@Gold Forever32
10-22-2007, 06:22 PM
Ok the Steelers don't lose the game because of that play...They lost since they played like a bunch of stiffs.....Stop the excuse making...We bagged Seahawks fans for making excuses so stop this crap...lol

Hawk Believer
10-22-2007, 06:30 PM
Ok the Steelers don't lose the game because of that play...They lost since they played like a bunch of stiffs.....Stop the excuse making...We bagged Seahawks fans for making excuses so stop this crap...lol

:lol: You said it before I got to. Tough calls suck but they are part of the game. Nothing to be done about em.

Black@Gold Forever32
10-22-2007, 06:52 PM
:lol: You said it before I got to. Tough calls suck but they are part of the game. Nothing to be done about em.

Well thats the Steelers Nation for you a bunch of blind homers that make excuses win they lose but dare another fan base to do it and they bag you for it...I hate whining period......The Steelers lost since they played like crap its that simple....

DIESELMAN
10-22-2007, 07:01 PM
Like some of you already said, we lost cuz we played like crap. Don't blame it on one call or even a bunch of calls. I hate that **** too, time to move on to next week. Just for the hell of it, all the shoulda, woulda, coulda's ain't going to change the fact that we lost 31-28.

Black@Gold Forever32
10-22-2007, 07:04 PM
I keep it real.........I don't care if I say type things that some people can't handle or if somebody doesn't like it........I don't mind them losing and I wasn't that negative after the Cards loss since I thought the team wasn't going to win that game anyway...But when they play like stiffs and lose to a team they should have beaten like the Broncos then I'll bash the Steelers all day long and careless what anyone thinks...lol

BlitzburghNation
10-22-2007, 07:56 PM
the nfl loves 2 hate the steelers that's all, the broncos were who we thought they were an WE LET THEM OFF THE HOOK LOL LOL LOL , move on now it's time 2 go an tame them bungirls.

:clap::clap::clap: :haha: :haha: :haha: :clap::clap::clap:

Troyisabeast_43
10-22-2007, 11:33 PM
Yea does keeping it real meaning making ridiculous statements like Troy is overrated, and that the Browns are going to win the division, and the season is over like you were doing on here last night?? The Broncos were a desperate team last night and played like one and I dont think there as bad as there record indicates. Are the Steelers a better team?? I think they are but what Ill take away from this game in Denver that the Steelers can build on and I think will build on is the fact that Ben proved he can throw the ball and bring this Steelers team back late when there trailing and the game is on the line. This Steelers team will be fine, and while there not better right now then the Colts or the Pats Im not ready crown either of them the Super Bowl Champs like everybody is with 10 games left. The schedule is still very favorable as Ive pointed out up until the Pats game the next 6-7 weeks, they still have a shot to win all of those games with 4 out of 5 at home in November and go into the Pats game December 9th 10-2 and fight for a bye week. Was it a setback last night losing?? Yes it was but Im not ready to throw in the towel in this season just yet like so many other people on this board have been doing since last night.

BlacknGold Bleeder
10-23-2007, 01:40 AM
I thought this thread started asking for an explanation of a call, and I gave my:2cents: from the announcers explanation. I know I wasn't bitchin bout it, it was a tough call and they did what they could with it. It definitely wasn't a game deciding call and I don't think anyone said it was.
Nobody should be questioning anybody's loyalty to the team just because we discuss a call, that's just ridiculous. Most everybody in here is a STEELERS fan :tt02: and we all are proud to be. Some may look through rose colored glasses and some call it how they see it ,but the bottom line is we are all STEELERS fans!!!:tt02::tt02:
Now with that being said can we get a :grouphug:.....:lol:

SteelerSteve
10-23-2007, 01:55 AM
Yea does keeping it real meaning making ridiculous statements like Troy is overrated, and that the Browns are going to win the division, and the season is over like you were doing on here last night?? The Broncos were a desperate team last night and played like one and I dont think there as bad as there record indicates. Are the Steelers a better team?? I think they are but what Ill take away from this game in Denver that the Steelers can build on and I think will build on is the fact that Ben proved he can throw the ball and bring this Steelers team back late when there trailing and the game is on the line. This Steelers team will be fine, and while there not better right now then the Colts or the Pats Im not ready crown either of them the Super Bowl Champs like everybody is with 10 games left. The schedule is still very favorable as Ive pointed out up until the Pats game the next 6-7 weeks, they still have a shot to win all of those games with 4 out of 5 at home in November and go into the Pats game December 9th 10-2 and fight for a bye week. Was it a setback last night losing?? Yes it was but Im not ready to throw in the towel in this season just yet like so many other people on this board have been doing since last night.I think your analysis on the Steelers is the best I have seen so far, keep it up:bigthumb: I agree 100% and that looking at what we did well last night, which there is plenty that we did do well, is a good way to go about things. We definitley have things that need work, but so does every team, including the Pats and Colts, neither of them is perfect and they have their weaknesses I guarantee it. This is the NFL anything can happen and you know what? We were not supposed to win the Superbowl in 05 but we did anyway and that just proves we cant give up as fans.

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I keep it real.........I don't care if I say type things that some people can't handle or if somebody doesn't like it........I don't mind them losing and I wasn't that negative after the Cards loss since I thought the team wasn't going to win that game anyway...But when they play like stiffs and lose to a team they should have beaten like the Broncos then I'll bash the Steelers all day long and careless what anyone thinks...lol I dont know why you would have thought the Broncos were a lock and for sure win. There are very few games that are ever "sure wins"

steelersgal86
10-23-2007, 06:06 AM
Like some of you already said, we lost cuz we played like crap. Don't blame it on one call or even a bunch of calls. I hate that shiat too, time to move on to next week. Just for the hell of it, all the shoulda, woulda, coulda's ain't going to change the fact that we lost 31-28.


well said :clap::clap: on to the next game

NOVA STEELERS
10-23-2007, 12:41 PM
A game should never fall on a single call or play IMO........ A winning team finds ways to overcome a bad call here or there or bad play etc......

BlitzburghRockCity
10-23-2007, 01:08 PM
Well thats the Steelers Nation for you a bunch of blind homers that make excuses win they lose but dare another fan base to do it and they bag you for it...I hate whining period......The Steelers lost since they played like crap its that simple....

That's NOT the Steeler Nation for you, that's just your opinion of it. We're not blind enough to think we're all that and a bag of chips. We know we have things to work on and ways that we need to improve if we want to make some noise in the postseason. We look ahead at the upcoming schedule to see how it's going to play out but we as fans know from past experience that this team cannot afford to look past anyone. We just flat out didn't bring our A game on sunday and the Broncos threw everything they had at us and we still tied it up with 1 minute to go. To me that shows us that even when the chips are down and we're behind that we have the capability to come back and score points in a hurry which is something we didn't used to have.